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Arcilite_I  4 stars
Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
The idea of an 'off healer' has passed most of your minds. Not every healing soul in this game is meant to solo heal dungeons. This game is about complimenting others, not being a solo powerhouse.

I certainly hope we don't go down the road of "this class can only do this".

 

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Mustrum
Posts: 11
Registered: 2002-7-31 05:08:46
Usually I'd say that's OK. But the problem is that in a normal dungeon group you're only going to need one main healer (Warden, Purifier, Sentinel, Chlomomancer). And if you're going for a "DPS" off-healer, you'd almost certainly be better off with a Shaman/Druid/Warden type of spec. Due to the nature of Convictions, you're more or less locked into using Justicar abilities (or Inquisitor Life spells, that works OK as well) to build up Convictions. And the other melee Druid souls mostly use physical damage. So to build Convictions, you can't use the "big hitters" from Shaman or Druid souls. You need to stick to either Justicar abilities or Inquisitor spells. I'd much rather have a Shaman/Druid/Warden off-heal tbh. You'll have a constant HoT from the Faerie (that does way more HPS than Salvation) and the Cleric can toss a HoT/instant heal your way whenever the main healer can't keep up.

As is, the Justicar healer is too specialised in regards to his abilities to be a viable off-healer and too hybridised within his own soul to perform as a main healer. Trion should make up their minds as to what they want the Justicar to be, healer or tank. As long as it's trying to be both, it will really be neither.

 

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Bowdi
Posts: 17
Registered: 2003-7-23 08:36:08
well in my email i received a survey that Trion wanted me to do, but no new beta invite yet.

 

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--Syrus--  3 stars
Posts: 536
Registered: 2003-12-2 15:51:47
Hrm, I don't understand why I am having this problem, none of the riftgame.com links work for me. Neither on IE or Firefox. I just get the "Server Not Found" error.

No matter how I try to get there, manually typing the url into the address bar, clicking a link from their official e-mail I get the same error, what could possibly be preventing me from viewing just that one site?

 

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siujoey  2 stars
Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
Hmmmm, I wonder.....


--Syrus-- posted:

Its never worked for me, I don't think they want me to play.



:-)

 

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vn_lordmacabre
Posts: 8
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Mustrum posted:

Usually I'd say that's OK. But the problem is that in a normal dungeon group you're only going to need one main healer (Warden, Purifier, Sentinel, Chlomomancer). And if you're going for a "DPS" off-healer, you'd almost certainly be better off with a Shaman/Druid/Warden type of spec. Due to the nature of Convictions, you're more or less locked into using Justicar abilities (or Inquisitor Life spells, that works OK as well) to build up Convictions. And the other melee Druid souls mostly use physical damage. So to build Convictions, you can't use the "big hitters" from Shaman or Druid souls. You need to stick to either Justicar abilities or Inquisitor spells. I'd much rather have a Shaman/Druid/Warden off-heal tbh. You'll have a constant HoT from the Faerie (that does way more HPS than Salvation) and the Cleric can toss a HoT/instant heal your way whenever the main healer can't keep up.


As is, the Justicar healer is too specialised in regards to his abilities to be a viable off-healer and too hybridised within his own soul to perform as a main healer. Trion should make up their minds as to what they want the Justicar to be, healer or tank. As long as it's trying to be both, it will really be neither.



As someone who has played a Justicar/Shaman/Warden during both the last Beta events, I can only say I disagree with you assessments. First, you get 3 souls in your role, if you want more healing, put in a "heal" soul. The Justicar doesn't need to be that to be useful. Second, you have 4 roles, if you need a "full healer" for a job, switch to a role for that.


Now, I wouldn't set out to "solo heal" a group with my primary Justicar spec, no. But he functions quite well in an off-tank/off-healer/melee dps role.


The group AE healing, doubled up on the tank, before including any other heals (warden hot, doctrines, etc), makes the life of the main healer much easier. In fact, in big add situations, my Even Justice (hitting 5 targets) pumps out AE healing every GCD for the group equal to a normal AE heal from one of the "full heal" specs, and double that healing for the tank. It isn't nothing.


In a pinch, I'm never concerned with peeling an add off the healer or DPS, because I can take the punishment and keep myself up (assuming the healer has his/her hands full).


And regarding the inability to heal, well as I found out on two bosses in Darkening Deeps, I can definitely keep a tank up if I need to. The first boss is meant to require 2 tanks, and my healer was getting all he could handle trying to keep "his" tank up, while I took care of the second one, without issue. On the spider boss, when the healer would be webbed, I took over healing until he could be released.


Nobody in the group complained that they brought a hybrid healer to the party on that run.
Grimlik
Posts: 35
Registered: 2004-3-9 08:36:13
--Syrus-- posted:

Hrm, I don't understand why I am having this problem, none of the riftgame.com links work for me. Neither on IE or Firefox. I just get the "Server Not Found" error.

No matter how I try to get there, manually typing the url into the address bar, clicking a link from their official e-mail I get the same error, what could possibly be preventing me from viewing just that one site?



DNS problem on the internet.

Perhaps they changed their IP addresses and your ISP's DNS is just slow in getting the updates.

That's pretty much the only thing, barring a locally installed security suite doing the blocking.

 

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-Aleister-  1 star
Posts: 59
Registered: 2001-5-12 06:27:13
Arcilite_I posted:

The idea of an 'off healer' has passed most of your minds. Not every healing soul in this game is meant to solo heal dungeons. This game is about complimenting others, not being a solo powerhouse.

I certainly hope we don't go down the road of "this class can only do this".



While I agree and empathize with the sentiment... the average MMO long passed that road. Your class can only do this is right there with gear score checks. It's stupid amongst 5 people who know how to play... but you are going to hear it all the time amongst strangers.

 

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Racines
Posts: 8
Registered: 2003-1-22 10:03:55
I received the Beta 6 invite . Now what should I do:


1- keep my current avatar that is at level 19

2- create a new avatar/new build

3- roll Guardian since I played Defiant


I am tempted to do #1 since I play casualy and I will fly to Uk this week-end. That said, I did not try other classes then Warrior (my usual cklass). I did not try Guardian and I have no clue about their lore and world/quests


Since it is Beta, may be I should learn all classes and try Guardians.


For WoW Beta Stress test I played a human, but I played Horde all the time after release. I do not think I will play Guardian, let say the idea of Machine builders attracts me more then prayers...

 

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--Syrus--  3 stars
Posts: 536
Registered: 2003-12-2 15:51:47
Grimlik posted:

--Syrus-- posted:

Hrm, I don't understand why I am having this problem, none of the riftgame.com links work for me. Neither on IE or Firefox. I just get the "Server Not Found" error.

No matter how I try to get there, manually typing the url into the address bar, clicking a link from their official e-mail I get the same error, what could possibly be preventing me from viewing just that one site?



DNS problem on the internet.

Perhaps they changed their IP addresses and your ISP's DNS is just slow in getting the updates.

That's pretty much the only thing, barring a locally installed security suite doing the blocking.



Well this is troubling indeed. I can always pre-order it through steam luckily enough. What are the monthly rates going to be like? And what is the deal with these founder rates?

 

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