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Sprawl-zero1eye-  Title: IGN Vault Staff
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Posts: 1,001
Registered: 2002-6-28 03:39:29
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Date Posted:
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Unfortunately humans are better than machines, at least until Skynet. So for now, the only way to thwart those looking to take abuse of the system is to have humans enforce rules and regulations. Again, unfortunately, with 300+ servers across 11 some geographic regions, that isn't happening.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
They spent all this time and effort fixing something that is not broken when it is their class mechanics changes that are causing the problems. Maybe they should fix the real problem? Dungeons are brutal on PUGs and specifically healers in PUGs and now they are surprised that player behavior has sharply declined? I don't get it, is it really that hard for them to figure out?
In WOTLK, maybe 1 in 50 dungeons was a slightly negative experience. But you just dropped or kicked the offender, did something else for 15 minutes and then qued again. DPS ques less than 20 minutes (10 or less around primetime my old battlegroup) and now they are almost an hour or longer.
Think maybe they could admit they were wrong and fix their new mechanics?
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PlieBrac  Title: Ok, who did this?
Posts: 254
Registered: 2002-10-30 12:50:08
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
Blizzard posted:
* If queuing as a group with a tank or healer, and the tank or healer drops group (or is kicked) soon after joining, those that queued with them will also be removed from the dungeon.
Not sure what this one is trying to accomplish. Anyone have a thought?
this is to address the tanks that stand around and spam "50 gold for instant cue", then the tank drops as soon as you all enter the instance, then you spend 10-15-20 min waiting for another tank dressed in green con armor that doesnt know the fights or the instances.
has been happening a couple times a week to me recently....
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Voqar  Posts: 169
Registered: 2001-3-12 10:39:10
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
All of this sounds pretty stupid.
I've seen ONE case where 3 people from the same guild booted a competent player to bring in a guildie (which seemed stupid since the boss drops nothing their guildie could use).
I run with 3-4 guildies all the time and if someone sucks, we'll boot them. Getting penalized for booting people who have no business being in heroics is lame.
If they're gonna do something like this, they should ditch PvE item level on PvP gear and track player performance, because if you can't pull 5k dps in a heroic, you have no business being in heroics. Make it so you can't queue for heroics until you've done every instance on regular mode. If you haven't done the instances on regular and are too lazy and stupid to figure things out, you have no business being in heroics.
Ie, it's way too easy for complete idiots who waste a space in a group to get into heroic pugs.
It's not my job (or anybody else's) to babysit failures thru heroics.
They should add in that anybody who gets AFK flagged for x amount of time can be unquestionably kicked. I've been in pug with a "brb" player gone for the rest of an instance and no ability to boot em.
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Malachi256 Posts: 158
Registered: 2002-11-12 17:33:28
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
Voqar posted:
All of this sounds pretty stupid.
I've seen ONE case where 3 people from the same guild booted a competent player to bring in a guildie (which seemed stupid since the boss drops nothing their guildie could use).
I run with 3-4 guildies all the time and if someone sucks, we'll boot them. Getting penalized for booting people who have no business being in heroics is lame.
If they're gonna do something like this, they should ditch PvE item level on PvP gear and track player performance, because if you can't pull 5k dps in a heroic, you have no business being in heroics. Make it so you can't queue for heroics until you've done every instance on regular mode. If you haven't done the instances on regular and are too lazy and stupid to figure things out, you have no business being in heroics.
Ie, it's way too easy for complete idiots who waste a space in a group to get into heroic pugs.
It's not my job (or anybody else's) to babysit failures thru heroics.
They should add in that anybody who gets AFK flagged for x amount of time can be unquestionably kicked. I've been in pug with a "brb" player gone for the rest of an instance and no ability to boot em.
You can still kick the loser. If you're chain running heroics with 3 other guildies and you keep running into terrible players (hasn't been my experience, but obviously this can happen) then eventually you will just be stuck with them, and yes that sucks, but once again... 'them's the breaks.'
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The_Korrigan  Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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I'm of the opinion that gear with resilience should have an amount of gear level subtracted from it when it comes to evaluate the gear level for PvE. Idiots with full crap PvP gear doing less DPS than the same class was doing at 80 with non-raid gear in WotLK should not have access to heroics.
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Aswakhtor Posts: 135
Registered: 2005-1-18 16:44:43
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
"If queuing as a group with a tank or healer, and the tank or healer drops group (or is kicked) soon after joining, those that queued with them will also be removed from the dungeon."
I don't see why they have to do this, if a tank or healer drops instantly after queuing they have a 30 min timer before they can queue for another dungeon.
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Mayhem702 Title: Public Nuisance
Posts: 101
Registered: 2004-4-13 16:14:36
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
Aswakhtor posted:
"If queuing as a group with a tank or healer, and the tank or healer drops group (or is kicked) soon after joining, those that queued with them will also be removed from the dungeon."
I don't see why they have to do this, if a tank or healer drops instantly after queuing they have a 30 min timer before they can queue for another dungeon.
The tank never had the intention to run an instance, it's for dps paying tanks to instant queue them, then drop from the group.
This places the group in front of the line for the next tank, which is usually around a 3 min wait instead of a 30.
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_Warlucky_ Posts: 183
Registered: 2008-7-20 04:40:07
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
The_Korrigan posted:
I'm of the opinion that gear with resilience should have an amount of gear level subtracted from it when it comes to evaluate the gear level for PvE. Idiots with full crap PvP gear doing less DPS than the same class was doing at 80 with non-raid gear in WotLK should not have access to heroics.
Why stop there, lets deduct all stats from the iLevel. Of course which stats that get deducted for which class/spec will be decided here on VN General.
I will start
Deduct all Stamina from everybodys iLevel but a tank spec. After all if you aren't going to get hit why have stamina.
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Arcilite_I Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dungeon Finder/Vote Kick Hotfixes |
_Warlucky_ posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
I'm of the opinion that gear with resilience should have an amount of gear level subtracted from it when it comes to evaluate the gear level for PvE. Idiots with full crap PvP gear doing less DPS than the same class was doing at 80 with non-raid gear in WotLK should not have access to heroics.
Why stop there, lets deduct all stats from the iLevel. Of course which stats that get deducted for which class/spec will be decided here on VN General.
I will start
Deduct all Stamina from everybodys iLevel but a tank spec. After all if you aren't going to get hit why have stamina.
Now you're on Korrigan's level of logic, this should get interesting!
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