Bashiok posted:




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All this will accomplish is to allow the abuse from the other side of the fence. Does anyone even think things through at Blizzard anymore?

 

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Not sure what this one is trying to accomplish. Anyone have a thought?





I guess I just don't like the thought of being penalized in a legitimate situation. But I understand how other guilds/groups have abused the system enough to cause this kind of 'fix'. Most of the time we do all guild runs but sometimes we only have 3 or 4 and fill. Rarely do we have to kick anyone in a mostly guild group. We're all pretty patient about explaining bosses and shrugging off mistakes. The only time we kick people is they keep repeating their mistakes when we've clearly explained what needs to be done.

 

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Tanks and healers have instant queues, it sounds as if maybe some dps were using them to get a dungeon started, and then having the tank or healer that helped get the instant pop, drop group.

But then you're still left waiting for that role to be filled still, so...

 

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Which is why I'm stunned they are doing this because it doesn't help anything at all. I mean come on, let's say you and 3 other guildies queued into a dungeon and all of a sudden your healer loses his internet. So just because one person had something happen completely out of their control 3 other people get screwed? Not to mention now those 3 people can't queue back into a dungeon for another 15 minutes.

This change is absolutely retarded.

Edit: Btw I could sit around for at least an hour thinking up legitimate scenarios explaining how retarded it is.

 

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Scenario 1: a DPS queues by himself, takes 45 minutes for him to have a full group.


Scenario 2: a DPS queues together with a tank, they get an instant group, tank drops, group is put at the top of the queue and gets the next available tank. Took maybe 5 minutes.


Many tanks who are not interested in running LFD instances are "selling" their short queue times to the less fortunate DPS players. I've even seen the disgusting variant where the DPS (3 guilded guys) kicked the random tank right before the last boss and then reinvited the original tank so he could get the VP reward without having to run the instance.





I could sit for several hours describing abuses that actually HAPPENED with the current system. The hotfixes are not perfect but they should prove a huge improvement against abuse.

So how about reading my first post then and realize that with this change the same amount or perhaps even more abuse will occur just with a different set of people. These hotfixes are about as far from perfect as you can get and will provide ZERO improvement over the current system.

 

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I'm genuinely interested in hearing more of your scenarios, Quazi. Your first post states your opinion but does nothing to substantiate it.

The one scenario you mention about the guild group joining and then the healer/tank DCing is seems largely invalid to me, because you can be DC'd for a long time before getting auto-dropped from the group (does the game EVER auto-drop you from the group? I can't remember the last time this happened). As long as the person reconnects and gets back in game there should be no problem.

edit: I guess you're saying that the person's internet just dies altogether? I guess I just don't know anyone who has that issue come up very often at all. If it is a pattern for someone, I'd say that that situation would be very rare, and maybe the guild should just have the person with the sucky internet just be dps.

 

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So you wait hours upon hours for that person to get back on when their internet doesn't come back up? No you kick the disconnected person and with these new changes when you kick that healer everyone else that queued into the dungeon with him gets removed as well.

I really wasn't exaggerating about being able to spend over an hour thinking up legit scenarios but I really have no interest spending that time proving it here on VN, especially when it won't prevent the change from happening.





I've had my internet drop for no apparent reason in the middle of a dungeon before, hell it's happened during raids as well. Just because an event is rare doesn't change the fact that with this change the other people who queued in with them get absolutely screwed for no good reason.

 

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I think the rampant abuse that was taking place is definitely a good reason for changing the way things work. The dead-internet situation is certainly possible and it definitely sucks, but IMHO doesn't constitute a good enough reason to not implement the change. There are lots of scenarios in game right now where if your tank's/healer's/arena partner's/rated BG leader's internet just dies you're pretty well screwed, regardless of this particular system. Internet dying isn't a good enough reason to completely re-design a system - it's a reasonable assumption that people must have consistent internet in order to take part in group activities of the game, and when someone's internet does die, 'them's the breaks.'

 

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