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TruthyID  Posts: 189
Registered: 2010-7-7 12:52:20
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In WotLK you could log on for 45 minutes and actually accomplish something. Whether it was running a standalone raid boss or running a heroic. In Cataclysm, it takes 3 hours or so to get something accomplished as a dps. Basically, they're asking dps to spend 4 times as much of their personal time to get the same payoff.
It's not so much the difficulty that bothers me as it is the massive increase in the endgame time sinks.
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NukeMage  Posts: 346
Registered: 2002-4-7 16:58:45
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There are several different things going on right now with the whole RFD and Heroics situation, and I think both Gutter and Korrigan are right about some things.
1.) The people who rely on RDF to always group are having a hard time dealing with the long queues combined with the high failure rate.
How to help fix this? Why are there proportionally less tanks now than what were in WotLK? Is this like how it was at the beginning of WotLK? (I missed out on the first 4 months of Wrath so I do not know the answer to this).
2.) Having some challenging (NOT tedious) content is fine, and should be expected.
Most of WoW is ridiculously easy. Wanting some sets of encounters/instances for those who like a higher difficulty does NOT make those people wrong/bad, especially if said content in no way affects the other 95% of the game.
There is still a lot of work that needs to be done to find a balance with the Heroics and their difficulty/cheesiness on some encounters. Plus keep in mind that once 4.1 hits in 3-5 months the gear inflation will make heroics easy enough regardless.
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Date Posted:
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Malachi256 posted:
GutterSludge posted:
No one would care if the dungeons were super hard, if queues were instant.
The simple fact that ANYONE can play a tank class and therefore have instant queues seems to invalidate your argument. Clearly lots of people don't want to deal with the challenge of tanking heroics.
Malachi, I play 2 85's that tank.(one of which can heal) (Pally, DK)
I also play 4 85's that are DPS, and one that can heal or DPS.(Rogue, Mage, Lock, Hunter, Priest)
So, what you are saying, is that I should never play my other 5 chars that cannot tank..so that I get instant queues?
Mal, that is some of the most ignorant crap I have ever seen on these boards. You are better than that. Stop already.
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Arcilite_I  Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
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GutterSludge posted:
Malachi256 posted:
GutterSludge posted:
No one would care if the dungeons were super hard, if queues were instant.
The simple fact that ANYONE can play a tank class and therefore have instant queues seems to invalidate your argument. Clearly lots of people don't want to deal with the challenge of tanking heroics.
Malachi, I play 2 85's that tank.(one of which can heal) (Pally, DK)
I also play 4 85's that are DPS, and one that can heal or DPS.(Rogue, Mage, Lock, Hunter, Priest)
So, what you are saying, is that I should never play my other 5 chars that cannot tank..so that I get instant queues?
Mal, that is some of the most ignorant crap I have ever seen on these boards. You are better than that. Stop already.
Not really, it's basically hiS/her MO.
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Ugh_Lancelot  Title: Ooo...bouncy!
Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
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The_Korrigan posted:
That's the difference between you and me, siujoey. I do what I can in what is only a video game, and am always happy to have a challenge I can't take because it means I have always something to look forward to.
I never killed Lich King heroic before Cataclysm hit the shelves (at 85 is was cake). Why? Me (and my group) obviously weren't good enough for that encounter, even though we tried hard. Did you see my whine a single time here, saying I'm a casual with a real life and I think it's unfair LK heroic is so hard I can't do it? Nope, you didn't. Because I accept there can be things in the game for people who play better than me. You can't seem to accept that, and insult anyone actually better than you (at the game, of course, we ONLY talk about the game as usual) and try to get everything dumbed down to stupid level.
Always having something harder than you can do (right now) = always something to look forward to.
The problem with the self entitlement generation is that they don't want anything hard - they want their meat ground and easy to chew just like at McDonald's.
Hold on, now. Are you really equating 5-man heroic difficulty and heroic 10/25 raids? Since when was anyone saying anything about heroic _raids_ being too hard? Did you just throw that in there to stir things up or are you being purposefully obtuse?
And lol @ you re: insulting people. I dare say that if we did stat counts on who used derogatory terms in posts, you'd win that one by a mile. 
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The_Korrigan Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
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Ugh_Lancelot posted:
Hold on, now. Are you really equating 5-man heroic difficulty and heroic 10/25 raids? Since when was anyone saying anything about heroic _raids_ being too hard? Did you just throw that in there to stir things up or are you being purposefully obtuse?
Let's ignore the point made and throw some more out of topic insults around.
If you make HEROIC (I insist on the word, HEROIC) dungeons too easy, what will the people who aren't raiding at all look forward to once they gone through them a few times? I don't talk about the scrubs who don't want any challenge but only purple gear to pose on the mailbox, but those, the vast majority, who enjoy having something remotely difficult in their dungeons.
Ugh_Lancelot posted:
And lol @ you re: insulting people. I dare say that if we did stat counts on who used derogatory terms in posts, you'd win that one by a mile.
I only treat people like they treat me. I'm not Jesus, I don't hold the other cheek. Don't like it? Don't start it.
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siujoey Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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The_Korrigan posted:
That's the difference between you and me, siujoey. I need to feel superior at something, even if it is a game monkeys could master.
Fixed.
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The_Korrigan Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
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siujoey posted:
Fixed.
Another childish quote modification, of course totally ignoring the point made in the quoted post since it would be impossible to counter intelligently...
Ok, let's go for it.
So you pretend some people who play are actually worse than monkeys since they can't seem to play it correctly?
Nice way to defend your cause 
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Ugh_Lancelot Title: Ooo...bouncy!
Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
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The_Korrigan posted:
Ugh_Lancelot posted:
Hold on, now. Are you really equating 5-man heroic difficulty and heroic 10/25 raids? Since when was anyone saying anything about heroic _raids_ being too hard? Did you just throw that in there to stir things up or are you being purposefully obtuse?
Let's ignore the point made and throw some more out of topic insults around.
Nah. You're just being obtuse. You're using LK heroic as an example of how you enjoyed having something hard that you couldn't do, when the whole discussion of difficult here since Cata has been about 5-mans. You're purposefully moving the discussion into your own strawman's patch so you can justify your bashing of everyone who disagrees with you.
As for doing unto others the way they've done unto you, it is amusing to no end to see you respond like a child to disagreement and then try to explain yourself as the poor, trod-upon victim of meanies from the dark side of the playground. If people calling you obtuse or a pot-stirrer is something you consider insulting then maybe you oughta bone up on what those terms imply about your communications skills.
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siujoey Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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Date Posted:
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The_Korrigan posted:
siujoey posted:
Fixed.
Another childish quote modification, of course totally ignoring the point made in the quoted post since it would be impossible to counter intelligently...
Ok, let's go for it.
So you pretend some people who play are actually worse than monkeys since they can't seem to play it correctly?
Nice way to defend your cause
No I am saying most people don't..... (gasp) take it as seriously as you do. There are people out there that can look themselves in the mirror without striving to reach their all important WoW potential.
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