I'll be trying Rift out. The constant bi-polar balancing decisions are a clear indication of B Team level of support.

 

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I doubt (hope) it wasn't meant literally. It's just a way to introduce some legitimate gripes.

They already have many changes as to how some spells/effects work when in BG/Arena so how hard could it have been to be totally different?

 

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LOTRO is pretty much designed this way with the "PVP" in the game pretty much a little side game/ instanced zone. And you can actually play for free, though rather limited.

Though I'm no PVPer I can sympathize with the OP though and understand your frustration when it comes to the game as well.

The constant changes of classes and skills, one minute you get buffed, the next minute you are nerfed. Can't even call a spec a flavor of the month anymore it's really like flavor of the week.

As I stated in Mithan's post, the player base it seems for the most part is just frustrated. PVPer's and PVEr's with the constant changes to classes, Que times to get into BG's or Dungeons, the switch back over of the game to a more BC like end game instead of creating a more balanced dungeon experience between elements of BC and Wrath. The lack of a third option or a new component so to speak added to the end game for players to do and work towards some goal outside of Dungeon and PVPing.

 

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When patch notes come out and they list the nerf/buffs I pay attention to DRuids primarily. After looking over these changes I do what we should all do: Adjust accordingly. I've never not plyed my druid because I got a nerf bat to my crit or damage..I'm not a pouter that way. My rotation doesn't chaneg in Cat form to hit big. Either the other clases in your group when running dungeons will pick up your slack or you'll group will pull otgether harder as a team to overcome adversity.

 

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They should have done two different "scales" from the start. One for PvE and one for PvP. An example...


If you're in a battleground/arena then we use the "PvP" scale.

If you're attacking an enemy player we use the "PvP" scale.


If you're attacking a monster and not engaged with a player we use "PvE" scale.


You get the point.


Then they could have done whatever they wanted. They could have made a nifty little option in the menu that let you pick whatever tooltip you wanted to see, ie pvp or pve. If you hold shift while hovering over a tooltip you would see the PvE or PvP scale.


With something like that they could have done whatever they wanted and no PvE nerf would affect PvP and vice verse.

 

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... and yet Turbine nerfed some classes because of PvP, and those nerfs affected PvE.

 

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LOL. Please, don't make it sound like that such matters are the norm over in LOTRO, they might happen once every few months roughly, not the daily, weekly, changes that have been occurring in WOW.

Also if you note, I wasn't responding as to whether or not LOTRO nerfs accordingly due to PVP or PVE imbalances, I was merely stating what the poster said, a game that has 95% PVE content and about 5% PVP. Well LOTRO would fit the bill.

 

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You started LOTRO late. I'm playing that game since release. The nerfs are done now, but during the first years, there were tremendous class changes due to PvP, or rather PvMP. Those nerf of course affected PvE badly.
PvP WILL affect PvE in ANY game if the two aren't completely separated.

 

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And, because PvP is based on the idea that you will win 50% of your fights while PvE is based on the idea you will win 99+%, the two can never really be integrated happily.

The best games of the future won't even try.

 

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