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Ferrydust  3 stars
Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
Posts: 938
Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
Honestly, I rage almost every time I log in now.
They are asking too much from us. If it's not one thing it's another.

Broken BG queues which they won't even acknowledge. I am pretty sure they don't even know it's bugged. They think that 'silly us' are complaining about long queue times... but the queues are actually broken.

Bots in bgs. Hey, your system doesn't work. It's a full time job to open a ticket for every BG bot. I TRIED to do it though... but it is TOO much to ask for every BG. 5+ afkers and you have to list their name (you're screwed with funky characters unless you have even MORE time to look them up)their realm. class, faction etc.

Class breaking. STOP IT NOW. I am speaking PVP but PVEers are pissed too. They think it is PVP that is screwing their class. No. We PVPers are up in arms about the disaster they continue to do to classes via hot fixes etc. 2v2 arenas may not matter to some... but it is mostly unplayable atm. But ok, lets ignore 2v2. Their idea of class balance is so far off the mark I am pretty sure they are using a dart board. No, scratch that. I think a dart board would yield better results.

There are too many bugs. Too many unacceptable ones. Ok Holy pallies will no longer heal the same faction in arenas when they use Light of Dawn. Nice. Wait. what!? I wasn't up to speed on that bug. So by healing my teammates I was hurting our team. Nice.

Warlocks drain mana is OP! But let's leave it in for priests via mana burn.

It is obviously a new team and they are having to relearn what the A team already learned. They gut classes via hot fix daily. Oh, your tooltips don't reflect it either. You log in, play and try and figure out why you lost 'skill' since the last time you played.

Seriously. They are asking too much from the loyal players who tried to hang in there.

I doubt I will get much sympathy from this board since most hate PVP anyway. But I need to post my grievances on a board that won't ban me for speaking my mind.

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
Time to vote with the wallet, maybe?

And I agree on the drastic class changes - but the culprit IS PvP, and more specifically, arenas. An example out of many, warrior's charges cooldowns got nerfed. Why? Because of arenas.

As long as PvP stays restricted to BGs with large teams on each side, this kind of details doesn't matter much. But when you do "PvP in a bowl", such nerfs will automatically arrive sooner or later, and ever worse when you make it a damned "eSport".

But arenas "ruining" the game for both "normal" PvPers and for PvEers isn't something new. The moron at Blizzard who introduced that crap into the game should be fired.

I also agree that the amount of hotfixes is ridiculous. This isn't professional, but looks like a noob programmer trying random values hoping that one will work.

 

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Ferrydust  3 stars
Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
Posts: 938
Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
The_Korrigan posted:

Time to vote with the wallet, maybe?

And I agree on the drastic class changes - but the culprit IS PvP, and more specifically, arenas. An example out of many, warrior's charges cooldowns got nerfed. Why? Because of arenas.

As long as PvP stays restricted to BGs with large teams on each side, this kind of details doesn't matter much. But when you do "PvP in a bowl", such nerfs will automatically arrive sooner or later, and ever worse when you make it a damned "eSport".

But arenas "ruining" the game for both "normal" PvPers and for PvEers isn't something new. The moron at Blizzard who introduced that crap into the game should be fired.

I also agree that the amount of hotfixes is ridiculous. This isn't professional, but looks like a noob programmer trying random values hoping that one will work.



No. Warriors were just buffed with no regard to arenas. And no one thought that the charge/intercept nerf should have gone though. PVP or PVE. I haven't seen 1 person support that.

Also, Blizzard was expelled from the e-sport game. They are no longer invited so it ceases to be.
Check out sk gaming as they explained why they dumped Blizzards e-sport. Oh, it isn't official though. There were simply 'issues'.


http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/30957-No_more_WoW_at_MLG

The speculation around the removal of WoW from the MLG PC circuit ended up being false. The truth is the game will NOT be used at the National Finals in Dallas next month because of issues regarding the expansion. As of now WoW remains to be be, alongside SC2, a part of MLG's PC circuit.

With that being said, it is clearly apparent the competitive WoW community is weakening so the cancellation of a WoW tournament at MLG's biggest event of the year does not bode well for WoW going into the future. Whether the game picks up steam again and MLG picks it up for their 2011 season is still a big question mark.

 

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Nakal  2 stars
Title: Moderator
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Posts: 363
Registered: 2002-7-9 11:50:38
Arena's are something Blizzard should NEVER balance around. It should be a side game and nothing more. Hell balancing around "normal" PVP and PVE is hard enough without throwing another dynamic into the mix.

 

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GrimTempest  3 stars
Title: Board Manager
Anime Aikousha

Posts: 977
Registered: 2001-12-21 01:36:49
i've always said the flaw with any game incorporating pvp and pve is when they try to balance the game around the pvp. it always causes problems on the pve side and its absolutely pointless because there is no such thing as a balanced pvp game. different classes are always going to have an advantage one way or another.

aside from that mistake on blizzards part the broken queues are a huge problem that should have been given priority attention. in fact the entire BG situation should be given more attention because its in blizzards best interest to find a way to mix players into bg's faster and find other ways to improve the pvp game that don't include class changes. if they want to improve pvp that would be more effective than trying to balance something that can't be balanced. someone at blizzard is obviously not coherent of the fact that Rift is going to be snatching away their customers and that all of these changes in the name of balance lately are happening at just the right time to frustrate their customers at the same time Rift is about to release. not terribly smart imo.

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
Ferrydust posted:

No. Warriors were just buffed with no regard to arenas. And no one thought that the charge/intercept nerf should have gone though. PVP or PVE. I haven't seen 1 person support that.

The charge/intercept nerf has still be done because of PvP, and more specifically arenas.


Ferrydust posted:

Also, Blizzard was expelled from the e-sport game.

No matter if this is true or rumor, fact is the "eSport arenas" are still part of the game. And classes are still getting nerfed and balanced for "PvP in a bowl".
As Nakal said, things like arenas are stuff a MMORPG should NEVER be balanced around. The game should be balanced for "normal" PvP, not duels with a limited amount of participants where some classes will automatically be OP and which can NOT be balanced anyway.

 

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Ferrydust  3 stars
Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
Posts: 938
Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
Nakal posted:

Arena's are something Blizzard should NEVER balance around. It should be a side game and nothing more. Hell balancing around "normal" PVP and PVE is hard enough without throwing another dynamic into the mix.



Why should it only be a side game when so many of us love (loved) it? Oh, because you don't like it?

Please. I am sick to death of PVEers trying to make it PVE vs PVP. I have never put down PVErs for what they like to do. If you are a PVEer I suggest you look at other people and what they like to do in game and stop being a hater because you were ganked or something.

Seriously. Is it the PVPers saying, "Screw PVE they suck! No. It is the PVErs coming down on us. Oh, and you somehow think we support the changes that happen? No. Why the hate for us? We are as mad as you but we don't attack you. Attack Blizzard not us.


edit: Bed time. More arguments when I wake up

 

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Groooovechampion  1 star
Posts: 229
Registered: 2003-6-30 16:36:01
The_Korrigan posted:

But arenas "ruining" the game for both "normal" PvPers and for PvEers isn't something new. The moron at Blizzard who introduced that crap into the game should be TOS_Violation!.



Fixed with my thought for that word ^^.........

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
Thing is, ferry, that you simply cannot even remotely balance a game with 10 different classes (and also a bunch of races with different racials) around 2vs2, 3vs3 or 5vs5 battles where not all classes can be represented. As Nakal said, "normal" PvP balancing (more than 10 vs 10) is already tricky and will never be 100% possible, fights wish 2, 3 or 5 people per side will automatically make class imbalances shine out and automatically create a situation where you will have "FOTM" classes. Nerfs / boost will never fix that but only shift the "FOTM" from the actual "OP" classes to other classes. Result: arenas will never be balanced, and in the meantime, the whole rest of the game, PvE and PvP, suffers from the nerfs and boosts done because of that mini-game.

 

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Nakal  2 stars
Title: Moderator
Bad Moogle

Posts: 363
Registered: 2002-7-9 11:50:38
Ferrydust posted:

Nakal posted:

Arena's are something Blizzard should NEVER balance around. It should be a side game and nothing more. Hell balancing around "normal" PVP and PVE is hard enough without throwing another dynamic into the mix.

Why should it only be a side game when so many of us love (loved) it? Oh, because you don't like it? Please. I am sick to death of PVEers trying to make it PVE vs PVP. I have never put down PVErs for what they like to do. If you are a PVEer I suggest you look at other people and what they like to do in game and stop being a hater because you were ganked or something. Seriously. Is it the PVPers saying, "Screw PVE they suck! No. It is the PVErs coming down on us. Oh, and you somehow think we support the changes that happen? No. Why the hate for us? We are as mad as you but we don't attack you. Attack Blizzard not us. edit: Bed time. More arguments when I wake up

What I don't like are my characters getting a hit with a huge swing of the nerf bat because someone got owned in the arena. When aspects of the game, like threat generation for tanks, and heal spell dynamics etc are fundamentally changed because of or perceived of arena combat, it throws the rest of the game OFF balance. Just Because that Arms Warrior/ Resto Druid combo rolled over your 2 rogue team does not mean blizzard should buff rogues and nerf warriors and druids (but in the past, they have.. lifebloom nerfs are perceived as a direct result of arena combat)

 

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