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Billarious
Title: Consumer of Coffee
Posts: 24
Registered: 2003-7-4 15:12:52
Great original post.

 

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siujoey  2 stars
Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
LMAO, I love how people just say they were trolling after they realize what an idiot they are. Sure.... you were trolling. I think that is crystal clear to everyone here.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA

 

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TruthyID  1 star
Posts: 189
Registered: 2010-7-7 12:52:20
There are a couple of things missing from the OP that actually make the situation worse than Gutter has described.

1. The distribution of player skill is closer to a Boltzman distribution than it is to a normalized distribution (bell curve) meaning that there are more players near or below the mean than the OP claimed.

2. This expansion is, in large part, about recruiting new players. The new friendlier leveling model is all about attracting and retaining players new to WoW and MMOs in general. This was a reaction to their claim that most people never got past level 10. When these new players get to end game they find the dungeons and heroics to be punishing places where they are subjected to all forms of abuse from others players. These people are going to leave and never come back. The way this expansion was designed almost feels like a bait and switch once you reach endgame.

3. The game has become a lot more time consuming. Regardless of skill level most of us have other things that demand our time. In WotLK you could get into and finish a heroic in the same time it takes just to get through the queue now. Requiring 2-3 times as long to accomplish the same thing is bad business. Nobody would buy a new appliance that took 3 times as long to do the same thing as the previous model. Nobody would use a new service that took 3 times as long either. It's just a ridiculous in this setting. On top of the increased time requirements, their loyal fan base is getting older. The players that started with WoW 6 years ago are older now and have more responsibilities now.

I get the feeling that the endgame is the way it is because the egos that are working on it couldn't handle being teased about making "easy" content, even if it meant being the most successful MMO to date.
Quazimortal  4 stars
Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
siujoey posted:

LMAO, I love how people just say they were trolling after they realize what an idiot they are. Sure.... you were trolling. I think that is crystal clear to everyone here.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA



^ Owned.

 

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TruthyID  1 star
Posts: 189
Registered: 2010-7-7 12:52:20
Quazimortal posted:

siujoey posted:

LMAO, I love how people just say they were trolling after they realize what an idiot they are. Sure.... you were trolling. I think that is crystal clear to everyone here.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA



^ Owned.



I'll say, especially since he was talking about you.
Quazimortal  4 stars
Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
TruthyID posted:

I'll say, especially since he was talking about you.



What was that sir? You are having trouble understanding basic concepts? That's ok, we knew about your problems already.


Quazimortal posted:

TruthyID posted:

Cause adjusting base values and multipliers sounds way harder than completely redesigning the way every talent in the game works in pvp right?



Oh my bad, I forgot that there would be people who don't have simple reasoning skills reading here. Let me explain it to you so that you might understand since you are having trouble thinking for yourself. The time and effort that it would take to design a system in which you can change an ability's function depending on if you are flagged or not would no where near equal the amount of time they spend constantly balancing the abilities between PvP and PvE.

Now if that was a little too complicated for you let me know and I'll attempt to dumb it down a little more for ya.

 

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Ugh_Lancelot  3 stars
Title: Ooo...bouncy!
Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
Quazimortal posted:

siujoey posted:

LMAO, I love how people just say they were trolling after they realize what an idiot they are. Sure.... you were trolling. I think that is crystal clear to everyone here.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA



^ Owned.

If I had been drinking coca cola, my keyboard would need a bath and my nose would be burning. Hysterical.

 

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siujoey  2 stars
Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
Oh please don't stop now Quazi. I just got to work, and it looks to be a pretty boring day.

 

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seanh_race
Posts: 10
Registered: 2003-3-11 01:25:08
Quazimortal posted:

The more you talk about your character being it's own entity, the more I am convinced you shouldn't have stopped taking your meds. Does your doctor know you broke out of your room to spread your crazy over the internet?

What you see on the screen isn't real life so you should stop pretending to be a magical elf because it only shows how crazy you are.



so you're not a role player. it's ok.

that doesn't mean other people are NOT role players. many people ARE role players. and that's ok too.

the thing that's not ok is that you have no concept that some people like to role play. not only in computer games, but in table top games (like d&d), and even in real life (larping).


P.S. i suppose it's also not ok that people pretend that since this game is labelled "rpg" that everyone playing likes to role play. they obviously don't. in fact there's more people playing this game like a strategy game than a role playing game.

i personally role play. i make decisions in the game based on a fictional persona i created. if i get a quest that tells me to kill bears in the woods for some uber loot, i don't do that quest. becuase my fictional persona wouldn't do that.

obviously many/most people choose to complete quests based on the loot, not the story. becuase they're playing the game like a strategy game, not a role playing one. pretending this isn't the case is just silly...
Broken_Kayfabe  1 star
Posts: 248
Registered: 2002-2-16 01:05:01
Actually I wasn't referring to explicit roleplaying at all. While nothing you said was wrong, it wasn't really in line with what I originally said either. Since you brought up table D&D, a more in-line comparison would be - the D&D fighter hitting the orc with his longsword for d8 damage = character action/challenge, deciding to attack the orc in the first place = player action/challenge. Not a difficult concept in the least... for people who aren't saddled with sub-simian levels of comprehension, that is.

Now let us get back to watching the Quazi meltdown.

 

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