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zukat1
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Registered: 2008-8-5 13:57:22
Edit: I suppose my point is that if you continue to develop games that are too easy then people will leave quicker than they would have left if it were too hard.


not sure how to put a quote in here other then copy and paste but the quote above is from quati ( something or another )


Blizzard had record numbers playing with wrath and I'm kinda guessing here with them offering 7 days of play time free to come back to the game they have record numbers leaving. Maybe I'm wrong here but we shall see.


One day hardcore raiders will understand that not everyone can dedicate 5 to 6 hours a day playing the game and still would like to see the endgame content. when it takes 45+ min in que for a heroic as a dps ( yes I have a tank that I can and do que with ). So I get my tanks heroic done , 1 to 2 hours gone in the random .. yea I have a guild but they are not always on and ready to run one when I can play. So the tanking is over.


Now I have to que as Dps and get to wait for 45 min to an hour.. So now I'm looking at 3 hours+ played every night just to get the random points on my toons that I wish to play.. not including the others I want to play but sadly I have no time for.


Why level more then one to level 85 if honestly it's going to take you at least 6+ hours to get anything done on them... This is for you alt aholics... what's the point you can't really play them in endgame till you figure out which one you want to play and dedicate hours sitting in random DGF ( unless tanks or heals ) which most are not ...


kinda just repeating myself here and sorry had a little to drink tonight and honestly can't bring myself to log anymore.. So a little rant here.. again sorry
Quazimortal  4 stars
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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

Quazimortal posted:

Edit: I suppose my point is that if you continue to develop games that are too easy then people will leave quicker than they would have left if it were too hard.



The gamers will leave. The unwashed masses who just want a godmode game to run around in? They'll love it.

That aside it depends on what "hard" means too. Is the game challenging the character, or challenging the player? Lots of people like their character being challenged. These constant "don't stand in the fire, hop on one foot, only attack when the floor is purple, avoid the sunbeams if you have a mana pool, and randomly click some nonstandard ability when your hear the loud gong" idiotic gimmicks aren't challenging the character though, they challenge the player. Frankly when I want to be challenged as a player, I PvP which makes all those stupid gimmicks look as shallow as they really are.



What kind of idiot logic is that? There is no difference between player and character because they are one in the same. Now if you mean the fact that some classes got gimped pretty hard in Cata when you say challenging the character then I still say you have some idiot logic.

Basically what you are saying is that you want to overcome the challenge of a gimped class rather than overcome the challenge of a strategic fight. You are a perfect example of who I hope Blizzard does NOT cater to.

Edit: And for those of you whining about how horrible it is to get into a group as a DPS with the Dungeon Finder, how about you go out and make some friends on your server. It's amazing how quickly a dungeon pops up when you actually put together an actual group. If you can't be bothered to make any friends then my suggestion is to stfu about the queue times or quit the game. It's an MMO for heaven's sake!

 

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Broken_Kayfabe  1 star
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Registered: 2002-2-16 01:05:01
Quazimortal posted:

What kind of idiot logic is that? There is no difference between player and character because they are one in the same.



Either you have no concept of what an RPG is, or you can't differentiate between yourself and your character.

Either way is scary. Do you believe the people behind the keyboard are all bulemic female elves too? Or do you just believe that YOU are?




Quazimortal posted:

Now if you mean the fact that some classes got gimped pretty hard in Cata when you say challenging the character then I still say you have some idiot logic.

Basically what you are saying is that you want to overcome the challenge of a gimped class rather than overcome the challenge of a strategic fight.



Actually none of that remotely comes close to what I was saying and in fact makes me think immediately of...

 

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zukat1
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Registered: 2008-8-5 13:57:22
Edit: And for those of you whining about how horrible it is to get into a group as a DPS with the Dungeon Finder, how about you go out and make some friends on your server. It's amazing how quickly a dungeon pops up when you actually put together an actual group. If you can't be bothered to make any friends then my suggestion is to stfu about the queue times or quit the game. It's an MMO for heaven's sake!


Didn't even look at this posters name... I have friends in the game and yes we have different play times so I'm kinda in LFG range... any suggestions other then I need more friends that play the game , sadly the ones I play with feel the same as I do ..


Yeap it's a game that many people play .. not just you people that have more then 3+ hours to play at night. Most of us have lifes outside of the game wrath was the best fit for this part of us. We could run ICC 2 to 3 nights a week and advance .. heroics .. we could actually get geared for ICC through these and had a good time doing this.


Now 1/4% of the wow player base wants harder heroics/raids they cater to you guys and people are dropping subs left and right .. for other games or not ( myself not )


edit: Kayfabe or however your name is spelled you sir/mam are a troll so any post you make I will ignore. I may not post alot but I read the VN abit and you are useless banter.
JaconKin  1 star
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Registered: 2007-1-16 18:00:40
-Mythril- posted:

i like the inititial post as it shows a fairly good thought process.

However to the one above me about a 2 hour heroic... it's been since the first few weeks of cat that a heroic has taken me 2 hours. I pug them daily at least 2x a day. sometimes solo. sometimes with a guildie.

i put this thought out there.

If it's taking you two hours then perhaps you might be one of the problem players.
Just one geared player can make the difference in a group of bads.


Every day that gos by the pugs have gotten better. It's fairly rare that i want to poke my eyes out anymore.



Well figuring I haven't bothered to log in in probably about two weeks and haven't ran a heroic since like the end of December, I haven't ran a heroic in like two months.

Of course I was slammed once before on this very board for making a statement from personal experience and learned that means very little far as what occurs in the game. I'm happy that YOU'VE experienced good pugs and the like and that YOU'RE time in dungeons have been shortened. Yet, lest we also forget that now this has begun to occur pretty soon you'll have people who won't run heroics with people who aren't geared, thus running into the same BS that began to occur in Wrath when people wouldn't take others who didn't have godly Gearscores or some other epeen test. God forbid some people actually have lives and get behind the curve with the rest of the godly peoples in the game. So the two hour is called an estimate time table as far as how long a player might be in a dungeon, can it get shorter, sure, but you still should have X amount of time allotted to finish a dungeon now.

Then of course, I always love it when people complain about matters or offer criticism that this must mean that oh noes, this person must be one of the baddies.

Yet, congratulations on focusing on one point of my post while ignoring the rest and completely missing the point Guttersludge was making as well.

How many posts of people have we seen recently, long term players mind you, who have finally decided to cancel their accounts. One of the most important facts to consider is also this is taking place only a FEW months after the release of the expansion? Yet mind you some of these posts are also from people telling us that many people in their guild are unsubbing. Simply put Wrath was catered to a more and ever expanding casual audience of the game. Hardcorers QQed over this like no tomorrow. Cataclysm sees a return to the hardcore experience that was seen in BC. Casuals can't even work up rep for some factions due to lack of dailies, rep items or even mobs to kill in a zone to gain some rep, hell BC didn't even go that far.

Basically the point Gutter and I are making is we'll see how the current game model that the new design lead and design team has taken and see how this design change will continue to effect subscription numbers. All signs are pointing right now to a decline, even with the small sample base here on these boards, one can at least assume that if we here at the VN are seeing people unsubbing, then there are others as well at other community sites. It has been stated several times that the only developer that will cause WoW to die is Blizzard themselves. Only time will tell how much of an effect the current design will have on future subscriptions and which game design Wraths vs. Catas was the better design path to take. Basically in the end, in my own opinion, I think Blizzard is going to find out what subscription base actually pays their bills for them.

 

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Long_Ranger
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All that can be summed up in one word: hubris. That's what Ghostcrawler and his team had.

But now they're backpedalling faster than a hipster on a fixie heading towards a pit of snakes.

 

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Voqar  1 star
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No clue what sludge is talking about but there's nothing really difficult about cataclysm - most players just suck and are too stupid to do anything remotely challenging.


I do think they dropped the ball with raiding in that they went from making it highly accessible in WOTLK to making it elite only in cata. Doesn't bother me personally, since I can do any raid, but it totally screwed over a lot of people. Bad move, IMO. It's easy enough to provide variety and they failed.


zukat1 posted:

Edit: And for those of you whining about how horrible it is to get into a group as a DPS with the Dungeon Finder, how about you go out and make some friends on your server.



Or do something useful like heal or tank. Anybody can dps - it requires the most minimal effort. If all you can do is the minimum, you deserve the minimum in return.


One thing a lot of people seem to forget is that MMORPGs are social games - multiplayer - with the intent that you do stuff with others. If you just wanna be solo, not join a guild, not develop friends, then it's too bad when you suffer vs social aspects of the game, like grouping or raiding.

 

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Quazimortal  4 stars
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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

Quazimortal posted:

What kind of idiot logic is that? There is no difference between player and character because they are one in the same.



Either you have no concept of what an RPG is, or you can't differentiate between yourself and your character.

Either way is scary. Do you believe the people behind the keyboard are all bulemic female elves too? Or do you just believe that YOU are?





There is no difference at all, the character on screen is just the face you are wearing that I see. Just because you might want to act like a retard and pretend you are a magic elf prancing around killing stuff makes no difference to me, you are still just a person sitting in a chair.


Broken_Kayfabe posted:

Quazimortal posted:

Now if you mean the fact that some classes got gimped pretty hard in Cata when you say challenging the character then I still say you have some idiot logic.

Basically what you are saying is that you want to overcome the challenge of a gimped class rather than overcome the challenge of a strategic fight.



Actually none of that remotely comes close to what I was saying and in fact makes me think immediately of...





Sounds to me like I nailed it head on and you can't think of a decent rebuttal.

 

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Broken_Kayfabe  1 star
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zukat1 posted:

edit: Kayfabe or however your name is spelled you sir/mam are a troll so any post you make I will ignore.



 

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Broken_Kayfabe  1 star
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Quazimortal posted:

There is no difference at all, the character on screen is just the face you are wearing that I see.



So you don't understand the concept of RPG. Gotcha.


Quazimortal posted:

Sounds to me like I nailed it head on and you can't think of a decent rebuttal.



I'm sure you prefer to think that, yup.

 

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