Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
siujoey posted:
Phexx posted: I still don't know who the f%&$ this Justin Beeber guy is or why I should care.
I know he is a singer with annoying hair. Can't name any songs, but I did see on Conan that he recently accidentally lit his mom's hair on fire during a show. (On stage) Awesome.
Lighting people on fire? Hmm maybe I really should check this Beeber dude out.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
Phexx posted:
-Mythril- posted: WoW has lots of subs because it's been a great game and is to date probably still the best thing that we have to choose from.
I disagree it's a great game, but it is unfortunately the best to chose from. A large reason for that imo is because of it's huge success that devs are trying to attain that as well, instead of making something new, and fun, and different that might work and work well but may not hit the 10 million sub mark. Instead of trying for a double every company is swinging for the fences, but using WoW's bat and batting glove and batting helmet, and stance, and swing and thinking it's the only way to go.
You like that analogy better?
It's an analogy but it applies to other companies trying to mimic WoW. I agree with that. It's why i didnt switch to Rift. The same things that are stale for me in WoW are present in Rift. Your batting analogy in no way applies to WoW's greatness or lack thereof. Doesn't address it at all.
You say it isn't great. ok. that's an opinion of course. My question to you would be is the only way a game is great is if it is great to you and you only or do other people come into the mix at all?
Whether you enjoy or not right now a few things are out there that can't be argued with.
WoW has dominated a highly competitive market for 6 years. It's taken 6 years for subscription numbers to start to trend downward. And even though the numbers are going downward finally. It's not actually from any serious competition so far but merely people have finally gotten tired or bored of the WoW model.
When you look at success rate and longevity and it's ability to continue to have millions of people reaffirm their satisfaction on a monthly basis, I'd have to say it's been a great game.
as for me I'm bored with it as well. It's gotten old for me. But just because it's finally gotten stale and old doesn't mean that it hasnt been a great game. Im hoping that swtor does enough new things to maintain my interest. Because I'm pretty much done with the WoW model.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
-Mythril- posted: Im hoping that swtor does enough new things to maintain my interest. Because I'm pretty much done with the WoW model.
Well, you possibly know from my frequent posting on the VN SW:TOR forum that I follow that game closely. I'm afraid you're gonna be disappointed if you await something drastically different from WoW. Sadly. I'm still positive on that game though because even if just the story is as good as in Bioware KOTOR games, it will be worth playing. But the gameplay is very similar to WoW-type EQ clones.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
siujoey posted: I never said WoW was not good. (Despite my cancelled sub.) It's a gaming marvel. It arguably IS the best MMO that's ever been made. I was merely making the (I thought) OBVIOUS statement that just because something sells well, doesn't mean it is GOOD.
Either way, I am not going to go on debating something so ridiculously common sense. Lots of things factor in to a game's success.
Perhaps you need to re-evaluate what you consider common sense.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
-Mythril- posted: It's an analogy but it applies to other companies trying to mimic WoW. I agree with that. It's why i didnt switch to Rift. The same things that are stale for me in WoW are present in Rift. Your batting analogy in no way applies to WoW's greatness or lack thereof. Doesn't address it at all.
We could argue the hamburger analogy all day, it comes down to personal taste. For my dollar, a Wendy's burger is vastly superior to a McDonald's burger, for the same price, so the analogy fits for me, it may not for everybody. That's not to say a Wendy's burger is great, it's just better. WoW is not great, but it is better then the other choices out there right now. (Have not played Rift)
-Mythril- posted: You say it isn't great. ok. that's an opinion of course. My question to you would be is the only way a game is great is if it is great to you and you only or do other people come into the mix at all?
How do you form an impression? By your own experience or just from what you hear from others? UO was a great game. AC was a great game. I hated EQ, but it was considered a great game by many. DAoC was a great game. WoW was a good game. Almost everything since has been a WoW clone to some degree, therefore not great so why would I go from good to good? I personally think Vanguard could have been that great game, if they hadn't released it so damn buggy then took too long to fix that they lost they're player base. But again that's me. I found the characters more fun to play, more varied etc. The game was a victim of bad management and implementation more then a bad idea. But it was a failure nonetheless. If not for it's buggy release it could have been a competitor for WoW, my opinion of course.
If WoW weren't filled with "first timers" I would be more willing to let the numbers speak for it's greatness, but when a huge majority of those 12 million have never experienced another game, how can I take their opinions seriously? That's like saying I'll only eat at McDonalds (here we go again) because it's the biggest, and some guy who's never had another burger told me so.
-Mythril- posted: WoW has dominated a highly competitive market for 6 years. It's taken 6 years for subscription numbers to start to trend downward. And even though the numbers are going downward finally. It's not actually from any serious competition so far but merely people have finally gotten tired or bored of the WoW model.
I'm not sure how you can call it highly competitive. The only games that compete are actually older then WoW. Most everything since has been a WoW clone, and again I believe it goes back to the first timers. They're not going anywhere for the most part. Those of us who have experienced different always look for the next thing, and what we end up seeing is the same old shit in a different package, instead of something new and innovative. There was a reason I went from UO, to EQ, to AC, to DAoC, to WoW (and all the crap in between to at least try them out). Back in those days when a new game came out, it had something actually NEW. Today it's the same old shit served on a different plate. I don't call that competitive, I call that stagnant.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
Agreed. I seem to have underestimated how hard that concept was to grasp.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
Boone-Eldar posted:
siujoey posted: I never said WoW was not good. (Despite my cancelled sub.) It's a gaming marvel. It arguably IS the best MMO that's ever been made. I was merely making the (I thought) OBVIOUS statement that just because something sells well, doesn't mean it is GOOD.
Either way, I am not going to go on debating something so ridiculously common sense. Lots of things factor in to a game's success.
Perhaps you need to re-evaluate what you consider common sense.
Before WoW the biggest game out there was EQ with what? 200K subs? Lets say all the other options out there had another combined 200K, for arguments sake, though I believe it was probably a bit higher.
So 400k. WoW hit 12 Million.
What doesn't seem like common sense to me is that 11,600,000 people who never played a MMO before WoW are telling you and many others that WoW is a great game. If you think WoW is a great game from you're experience playing, I can't argue that, it's your opinion. But when you try to say it's great simply because 11,600,000 people, with nothing else to compare it to, play it, that is just silly.
As I said to Mythril, I prefer to use my own, and other experienced gamers as a testing ground, not people with no other experience whatsoever. That is what I consider common sense.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
Phexx posted:
Boone-Eldar posted:
siujoey posted: I never said WoW was not good. (Despite my cancelled sub.) It's a gaming marvel. It arguably IS the best MMO that's ever been made. I was merely making the (I thought) OBVIOUS statement that just because something sells well, doesn't mean it is GOOD.
Either way, I am not going to go on debating something so ridiculously common sense. Lots of things factor in to a game's success.
Perhaps you need to re-evaluate what you consider common sense.
Before WoW the biggest game out there was EQ with what? 200K subs? Lets say all the other options out there had another combined 200K, for arguments sake, though I believe it was probably a bit higher.
So 400k. WoW hit 12 Million.
What doesn't seem like common sense to me is that 11,600,000 people who never played a MMO before WoW are telling you and many others that WoW is a great game. If you think WoW is a great game from you're experience playing, I can't argue that, it's your opinion. But when you try to say it's great simply because 11,600,000 people, with nothing else to compare it to, play it, that is just silly.
As I said to Mythril, I prefer to use my own, and other experienced gamers as a testing ground, not people with no other experience whatsoever. That is what I consider common sense.
EQ was over 500k at it's peak.
I provided a link earlier in this thread showing just exactly how much competition there is in the MMO market. Your logic is flawed.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW?
Boone-Eldar posted: EQ was over 500k at it's peak.
I provided a link earlier in this thread showing just exactly how much competition there is in the MMO market. Your logic is flawed.
Actually, his logic is kinda "inverted".
At the times of EQ, there was little to no competition (UO had to patch in a PvE world to compete with EQ which was stealing all the players), EQ managed to get 500k, and you also had Asheron's Call.
Nowadays, you have dozens and dozens of MMORPGs on the market. HUGE competition compared to EQ times. Yet WoW still managed to literally CRUSH all competition, despite fighting against dozens of foes and not only 3 like EQ. And better, they keep the lead for years and years, meaning people keep on paying to play that game despite at least half a dozen if not more new MMOs being released each year.
No matter how you turn it, they must have done something right.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:03amSubject:
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I just noticed Boone's title. LMAO!
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