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kyrv  Title: Lord Logicus
Posts: 263
Registered: 2002-1-31 13:09:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Boone-Eldar posted:
siujoey posted:
You have been posting here 10 years so you should know there have been LOTS of games described as WoW 1.5/2.0 over the years.... Come on man.
Edit: What / Who is Monday Night Countdown? I was thinking it is a reference I would get if I didn't unsub a few months back, but it doesn't sound very "WoWish."
Yep and none of them ended up being any good. Rift appears to be different, judging by player reactions.
Monday Night Countdown is a Monday Night football segment. You are a Bears fan so I understand why you would not have the opportunity to watch many MNF games to know that. 
1) Football fans watch monday night football, regardless of team affiliation. Even in cities with no teams.
2) The Bears are in fact are on MNF, one could well argue, much more than they should be.
Boone - not your best work.
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Boone-Eldar Title: Infallible
Posts: 273
Registered: 2001-12-28 16:31:37
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
kyrv posted:
1) Football fans watch monday night football, regardless of team affiliation. Even in cities with no teams.
2) The Bears are in fact are on MNF, one could well argue, much more than they should be.
Boone - not your best work.
Lighten up Francis, it was a joke. I am a Vikings fan.
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Seriously?
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kyrv Title: Lord Logicus
Posts: 263
Registered: 2002-1-31 13:09:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Boone-Eldar posted:
kyrv posted:
1) Football fans watch monday night football, regardless of team affiliation. Even in cities with no teams.
2) The Bears are in fact are on MNF, one could well argue, much more than they should be.
Boone - not your best work.
Lighten up Francis, it was a joke. I am a Vikings fan.
No need to apologize.
Or post pics of your QB's junk. 
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Boone-Eldar Title: Infallible
Posts: 273
Registered: 2001-12-28 16:31:37
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
kyrv posted:
Boone-Eldar posted:
kyrv posted:
1) Football fans watch monday night football, regardless of team affiliation. Even in cities with no teams.
2) The Bears are in fact are on MNF, one could well argue, much more than they should be.
Boone - not your best work.
Lighten up Francis, it was a joke. I am a Vikings fan.
No need to apologize.
Or post pics of your QB's junk.
He does quite well at that all on his own.  And technically he isn't our QB anymore, so GB can have him back now if they like. We just borrowed him for a couple years.
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Seriously?
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Do you really expect Blizzard to make sweeping changes based on the loss of %5 of their subscriber numbers?
I'm actually a bit suprised that the number is this low, I would have expected more to have quit based on the opinions around these parts.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
HunterTalon posted:
Spookysheep posted:
I'm curious to see if the moron fanbois will come here and admit their own stupidity now, or will they still try to spin it.
The bitterness is strong in this one. Of course that was the case even when he still played WoW, but the stubborn refusal to just go away is a little laughable at this point...
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TruthyID  Posts: 189
Registered: 2010-7-7 12:52:20
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Boone-Eldar posted:
Look I get that a few here really are not happy with WoW for a number of different reasons, but to totally discount Rift as the probable reason for the dip in subscriptions? As Monday Night Countdown would say....Come on man.
Having a viable alternative to WoW, in the form of Rift, is certainly a contributing factor to the decline, but to say that it is the only reason for the decline is absolutely ridiculous. People are leaving WoW because they're unhappy with WoW. Rift just happens to have been released at a really opportune moment.
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siujoey Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Ah yeah, THAT Monday Night Countdown. You know I watch that- Mike Ditka is on there. (Ditka vs. a hurricane, who would win?)
On a side note, I harbor no grudges after being heckled by a Vikings fan. It's sort of like being threatened by a pudgy little 5th grader. It's adorable. :-)
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Reading the article, it appears that Morheime (sp?) is suggesting that much of the loss is due to rapid progression through the end game content. If he truly feels that way, then it shows how the upper echelon of Blizzard management has lost their way and:
A. Do not understand the feedback their customers have been giving them for months, or are just outright ignoring it in favor of their vision
B. Are disconnected from the developers in charge of system, progression, and encounter design
C. Are choosing to focus on certain data that is confirming to their vision, and rejecting or ignoring any raw data that is disconfirming
D. All of the above
The vast majority of feedback is directly related to heroics being too difficult, and progression being too grindy, stunted, and gated. These two root causes fester into the other issues you see people complaining so much about. Not having much actual new end game content doesn't help things, either, and makes it that much easier for the previous two problems to just lead to people quitting.
The only thing they've done to address the problem is make a few content nerfs, made justice and honor gear easier to obtain (slightly, it's still very grindy), and incentivized tanking - which doesn't appear to have worked according to the legion of anecdotes I've read and heard. If they nerf the content more and the dynamic questing content in 4.2 is good, then they will see a turn around.
Everyone that has played MMOs knows that if a downward trend isn't reversed relatively quickly, it spreads exponentially due to the nature of the genre. I actually hope Blizzard keeps doing the wrong thing for another quarter so that their numbers keep declining and Activision has to step in. Because I'm cruel and would love to see Ghost Crawler lose his job and have to take his fat ass to Trion or something.
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Ugh_Lancelot  Title: Ooo...bouncy!
Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Interesting. 1st quarter results (assuming they post them soon) should corroborate this to some extent.
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