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"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," [Locked] |
Quazimortal  Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:02am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
GutterSludge posted:
"I don't want my credit card billed" is one option in the cancellation.
When you use a credit card and then click the cancel button you are basically telling Blizzard, "Hey I quit."
No, I'm saying I don't like recurring billing, and I'll pay you again when this "subscription's paid for time (which IS counted!!!)" runs out.
Just EXACTLY like a pre-paid card.
Quazimortal posted:
Now maybe they have an option you can select letting Blizzard know you are only doing to to stop recurring payments in which case I would think it would be within their right to count it as an active account, but unless you choose that reason Blizzard is going to assume you are closing your account for good.
GutterSludge posted:
Edit: The game even REMINDS you that your subscription will still be active, until your paid for time(which is counted!!!) runs out.
Actually it warns you that you are canceling your account and when you confirm the action it tells you your account is canceled but you still have time remaining.
TruthyID posted:
Yes you click a button that says cancel my account. That doesn't necessarily mean that the account is canceled at the moment that the recurring payment is removed. The account is considered canceled when the time runs out.
The reason for the term expired is to catch players under the free month of play time. They don't have to cancel anything their time expires. The other language about promotional game time refers to the 7 free days type of program.
In fact it does mean your account is canceled, it even tells you so. Also, when your game time has run out your account is listed as 'expired'.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
No, it is listed as "Frozen"
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Quazimortal posted:
In fact it does mean your account is canceled
If this were true, then using a pre-paid card would never be able to give one a non-cancelled account, and these would not be counted either.
Paid for time gets counted, PERIOD.
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Posted it twice, oops.
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
GutterSludge posted:
Quazimortal posted:
In fact it does mean your account is canceled
If this were true, then using a pre-paid card would never be able to give one a non-cancelled account, and these would not be counted either.
Paid for time gets counted, PERIOD.
Except for the fact that they specifically mention it in their definition. How can you keep taking bits and pieces of the definition that you quoted and ignore the rest? That's just plain stupid.
GutterSludge posted:
No, it is listed as "Frozen"
I stand corrected. That still doesn't change the fact that you have not proven anything.
I noticed you didn't have anything to say about this...
Quazimortal posted:
Actually it warns you that you are canceling your account and when you confirm the action it tells you your account is canceled but you still have time remaining.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Quazimortal posted:
I stand corrected. That still doesn't change the fact that you have not proven anything.
Actually the evidence presented against you is extremely strong. YOU haven't proven anything. You've just reiterated your opinion over and over vs valid comparisons and parallels without actually offering any support. Your entire argument depends on defining "canceled" as the instant you stop payment, and not when Blizzard actually converts the account to canceled when paid time runs out.
Until you answer the critical questions to your theory of why the IDENTICALLY FUNCTIONING methods of pre-paid cards and accounts with recurring billing stopped by not expired are treated differently, why Blizzard treated canceled as the same as expired, and why Blizzard doesn't convert an account to canceled until the time expires, you're just pissing in the wind, and eventually I suspect you'll just claim "haha i trol u!" once again to cover your mistake.
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
The only evidence I need is this...
GutterSludge posted:
"World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules."
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http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/pressreleases.html?081121
Let me break it down for you...
"World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers."
This right here defines an active account, I think we can all agree on that part. However you guys keep referring to this bit of information like it's ironclad when in fact this part...
"The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules."
Is telling you that even if it matches part of the criteria listed before it, if it fits any of the second list it is excluded.
That means a paid subscription fee that is canceled? Excluded.
A prepaid card? Included, because you never actually canceled your account.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
And the part you keep missing?
It's not canceled until time runs out.
P.S. running a tally elsewhere, not a single person has agreed with you yet.
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Five more minutes then I'm done!
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Quazimortal posted:
Is telling you that even if it matches part of the criteria listed before it, if it fits any of the second list it is excluded.
That means a paid subscription fee that is canceled? Excluded.
A prepaid card? Included, because you never actually canceled your account.
Why do I need to have a form of payment for account creation?
Subscriptions do require that some form of payment information (such as a credit card) be entered before the account can be activated. At this time there is no way around this. This is required in case account play extends over 30 days, so that gameplay will not be disrupted. It also prevents customers from creating "throwaway" accounts to harass others.
Of course, please keep in mind that you are not billed for the first month of the game. Thus, if you want to set up your account immediately, you can use a credit card. Then you can easily change your payment method at any time during your free month, before your paid subscription starts.
NOTE: If you initially set up the account with a credit card, but want to switch to use only a prepaid game card, you must cancel the credit card subscription manually on your Account Management page. Otherwise, when your prepaid game card runs out, the credit card subscription will begin and the credit card will be charged.
Notice the bolded. Do you honestly think that they aren't going to "count" someone who does this, just because you are hung up on the word "cancelled"???
Hitting the "cancel" button is the easiest/only way to stop a recurring charge. They even tell you that this is how you do it. They even tell you that this is how you control how/when your card is charged. To suggest that if I pay for 6 months, and then remove my card from billing that they won't count that subscription in the numbers is just insane.
I still have 6 months of paid for game time, which is what they do count, for sure, no argument, 100%.
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NeMeFieD said:" ea I Ucmed for 12 days straight.."
njwCSUS posted:I'm homosexual, so really, its ongoing sexual attraction to my father, not my mother.
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
Subject:
"Subscriber levels have decreased faster than previous expansions," |
Broken_Kayfabe posted:
And the part you keep missing?
It's not canceled until time runs out.
Except that it specifically tells you your account is canceled.
Broken_Kayfabe posted:
P.S. running a tally elsewhere, not a single person has agreed with you yet.
I really could care less if people agree with me. I'm confident that I'm correct in this argument.
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