Yeah, you may be right. Since I don't know his previous record, if he has one, it's hard to say. The thread has advanced since then. But 3 hours is silly... for a bot. (If he was a bot. which I am assuming) I want bots perma banned.

 

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If I get robbed it's my fault because I let them do it? The "fault" of wrong doing falls on the person who does the action. Just becasue people can get away with beign lazy doesn't mean the game is flawed or that it's the developer's fault they take advantage of the system.

 

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Not many people here have the desire to take responsibility for their actions, it is always someone else's fault. It is typical of today's youth, no integrity.

 

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It's crazy to me how you can't understand how people approach video games far differently than they do day to day, real life situations. Or even how the two can be directly compared.

Your flawed reasoning leads to the same arguments old lawyers make about violent games and why they need to be censored.

 

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If the video game was Super Mario Bros or something that like, where there were no real people at the other end who were directly affected by your cheating, then it would be a nonissue. However, in an MMORPG where there is rampant cheating, the other players and the game as a whole suffer. If you do not care about screwing other people over, continue cheating away. Just do not try and justify your actions or say it doesn't matter or that it is "just a game"


If you need an example of this, just look at the history of Asheron's Call. .

 

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Again, just a game. It's just a game.

I love playing GTA4 and running people over, killing hookers and cops and causing mayhem. In real life I get squeamish at the thought of someone merely getting hurt, blood makes me downright nauseous. I donate about a hundred bucks a year to a local charity focused on getting young women off the streets.

Cheating in a MMO, which may have some ancillary effect on a person's time? Leisure time at that? While they're playing a video game? That would somehow make me capable of crossing my own moral boundaries in real life? Insanity. The value of a person's leisure activities of course has an arbitrary value. But getting set back ten minutes in a MMO or other on-line game, the time it takes for me to just either leave or jump into a new lobby, is not in any way comparable to if I lied on a job application or something.

These are different universes you're comparing. If you can't understand that then I suggest you take a step back and reflect why it is you're investing so much emotion and importance into on-line video games. That's the real problem, and why you are carrying such a torch.

EDIT: I realize I kind of straw manned you there, but still, equating real life grievances to circumventing rules or edicts in a MMO - that's an amazing leap of logic and multifaceted fallacy

 

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Again, you justify cheating by saying it is only a minor inconvenience of someone's time and really has no affect on their real life. I am NOT saying that cheating in an MMORPG is the same severity as cheating in something in real life, like taxes or on your significant other. However, there are (if ever so slight) real life consequences of cheating (selling gold/items for real life cash, for example) in MMORPG's which can affect peoples real lives IF the cheating is allowed to go on unchecked. Especially for the game developer/publisher in the form of lost revenue (and eventually lost jobs) due to "legit" players leaving in relatively high numbers.


Again, anyone who is familiar with the history of Asheron's Call can attest to the effect that macroing/duping had on subscription numbers back in the day Who knows how much more successful the game would of been if they had tried to stop those activities earlier in the game's life?


I feel sorry for you if you are not able to comprehend how stuff like cheating in an MMORPG has a ripple effect that can touch on many other things, maybe different things for different people, but as a whole the result is extremely negative and hurts not only the players but the game company itself.

 

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Ok, well, I think we're still placing more or less value on intangible things here. And also time. And I think time spent gaming, and any artifact therein, becomes unhealthy if you value them the way you apparently do.

Some guy at my workplace lies about, well whatever, and that costs me a promotion. That's obviously impactful and serious. For me and my family.

A bunch of Chinese farmers run bots and gather ore in WoW faster than real human beings can and make me spend a few more hours each week than I usually would to earn the gold I need to buy the "new hotness". Or faster horses. Or whatever.

Or a bunch of people exploit in WoW and make my arena rating drop in a given month.

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You have to see the obvious difference in real life value here.

Are the exploiters really "harming" anyone? Are they really costing you money? Emotional distress?

My man. Take a step back.

And no, I do not cheat or exploit.

 

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So basically you're saying cheating isn't a big deal because it's just a game.

Bully for you for not caring, I guess. But I wouldn't play a game in real life with people who cheat, and most games in real life have controls to prevent it from happening. Those who can't prevent it, I don't participate in.

Unfortunately in a mmorpg I don't have that choice. If I want to play WoW, I have to play Blizzard's WoW, and if they don't control their cheaters, I don't have much in the way of options.

Not controlling the PvP cheaters was a fairly decent part of why I'm half a year since I last gave Blizzard a dime.

So you can bleat all you want about how it's not a big deal because it's not like someone is murdering children or something, but yeah it impacted my gameplay and I blame both Blizzard and the cheaters themselves for not controlling it, and will remember it in the future.

 

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Mind boggling to see people completely miss the point. Wrong is wrong, regardless of your rationalization of it is just a game.

Integrity is integrity, there are no caveats.

 

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