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Quazimortal  4 stars
Title: The One and Only
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Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
-Peo- posted:

Comparative morality FTL.

If you cheat, you cheat. Period. You lack ethics, you are doing something against the rules. Where and when you do this is inconsequential. Where does the slide rule end? If I punched you in the face, would it be okay to rationalize that I didn't actually kill you, so it is okay? Cuz that is what you are saying, that becuz it is only a game, it is okay.

If something is wrong, it is wrong, no matter where, when, why or how.



Horrible comparison.

 

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Shenron_  3 stars
Posts: 543
Registered: 2002-12-8 21:34:16
you don't seem to understand what morals and ethics are. i suggest taking a class at the local community college. maybe go for an associates degree while you are at it. good luck
Fedup23  2 stars
Posts: 358
Registered: 2006-7-14 06:15:32
My brother was banned from being "the banker" when we would play monopoly..he ended up with too many 500's all of the time. In every phase of his life he is a great guy..there 100% of the time no questions for his child, family, friends and work..but unfortunately...we have to call him "human trash" because he takes fake cash from the fake bank.

He has zero ethics or morals.

In my world we laugh about silly stuff like that in GAMES.......
-Peo-  2 stars
Title: Caveat Lector
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Registered: 2005-2-2 08:38:42
Shenron_ posted:

you don't seem to understand what morals and ethics are. i suggest taking a class at the local community college. maybe go for an associates degree while you are at it. good luck



*shrug* Your ignorance does not mean I am wrong. You confuse you own sense of values with morals and ethics. They are not the same thing. You have a sliding scale of honesty, good for you, just don't expect other people to have the same shaky morals. Also, don't get me wrong, I am not a saint, I break the rules. The difference is, I know I have broken the rules and I know that it is wrong to do so.

As far as the brother analogy, who cares, doing good things does not excuse doing bad things. I am sure if that person shot a nun, because he was great the rest of his life, it would be ok, right? That is what comparative morality is, you are deciding what is ok to let slide. The problem is, those things are still against the rules. The severity of the incident is irrelevant.

 

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Shenron_  3 stars
Posts: 543
Registered: 2002-12-8 21:34:16
so all that determines what is moral or ethical is if its against the rules/law? oh wow so all those dictators killing people have great morals afterall! and gandhi had weak morals apparently. it all makes sense now!
Sprawl-zero1eye-  4 stars
Title: IGN Vault Staff
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Registered: 2002-6-28 03:39:29
Saddens me that people who are dedicated enough to a game to come chat about it on the forums when they aren't playing, still try to blow it off as "just a game" and "no big deal". Obviously, we are people who care, to some extent or another, and that lackadaisical approach is beneath us.

Cheating in a game shows that a person will easily cheat in real life. After all, if you cheat when it doesn't matter, what will you do when your family, life, job, et cetera are on the line? Cheat? Yep.

 

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Fedup23  2 stars
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Registered: 2006-7-14 06:15:32
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

Saddens me that people who are dedicated enough to a game to come chat about it on the forums when they aren't playing, still try to blow it off as "just a game" and "no big deal". Obviously, we are people who care, to some extent or another, and that lackadaisical approach is beneath us.

Cheating in a game shows that a person will easily cheat in real life. After all, if you cheat when it doesn't matter, what will you do when your family, life, job, et cetera are on the line? Cheat? Yep.



Your comparison to a game vs family life or job is "beneath" me. I would never lower myself to putting a game on those same levels. Its obvious to me that you take playing games way too seriously to even compare the two... and the guy that compared shooting a nun to being AFK in a BG or buying gold.. seek help..because severity of incident IS what its all about.
Sprawl-zero1eye-  4 stars
Title: IGN Vault Staff
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Registered: 2002-6-28 03:39:29
The point is that we all draw the line somewhere. Some people draw it so low that they will cheat in any circumstance that cheating will allow them to get ahead.

 

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NukeMage  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-4-7 16:58:45
So who gets to decide what is "severe" enough to warrant following the rules, and what isn't? The whole reason rules are there in the first place are to make it clear as to what acceptable and unacceptable behaviors are, and to establish punishments if acceptable behaviors are not followed.


I would not go as far as calling someone human scum for cheating in a video game. However, it is still wrong and should warrant a punishment of some sort. Temporary bans (of hours to days, maybe weeks for repeated offenses) I personally believe are a fitting repercussions for breaking the rules in an MMORPG, along with the loss of ill gotten gains.


I got an account banned in AC for macroing; I knew it was against the rules, and I figured that it was worth the risk compared to the potential banning and chance of being caught. Now that account is lost to me; I learned my lesson and I have moved on in life.


If you break the rules, be prepared to accept the consequences. Regardless if it is in a board game, MMORPG, or real life. Flimsy ass excuses to justify your actions, especially when you previously agree to abide by the rules, just makes you look lame.


Maybe I still would do something of that nature (though it is highly unlikely) in the future, however, I would be willing to accept whatever happens IF I did so.

 

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Shenron_  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-12-8 21:34:16
rules are just guidelines...they are meant to be broken at times. whether its buying gold in a video game or driving 5 miles over the speed limit or drinking a sip of wine when you are 20 years old i don't think there is any correlation at all to "cheating to get ahead in real life" like stealing or hurting someone. there is no line to be drawn since they are unrelated things. if everyone in history followed the rules to the letter the world would be a crappy place.


if anything i would be more worried about the people who can mass generalize everything into black and white like that...they are the type who can do anything no matter how crazy as long as they can rationalize it as legal or moral to themselves.

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