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Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro [Locked] |
Arcilite_I  Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
Voqar posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Blizzard's reasoning behind why not all classes have an aggro dump is absolute crap by the way. Just give everyone a way to lose aggro without dying and quit being arrogant douchebags!
Or people could learn how to play.
You shouldn't need a regular aggro dump if 1, you tank doesn't suck and can hold threat, 2, you understand basic concepts like how tank threat works (particularly how vengeance ramps up in thecataclysm era) and dps accordingly (oh gee, I popped all my trinkets and CDs on the pull and got threat, what a surprise), 3, you pay attention to your surroundings and your threat.
Managing aggro is a group thing and part of overall fight strategy and management. The game is already ultra ez-mode, if everyone could readily dump threat there'd be yet another thing gone from the game and it'd be that much dumber and easier. They DO give you in-game threat measurements and addons make threat completely manageable. In ancient times the only way you knew you had threat was when the mob was pounding on you...it's come a long ways since then. 
What amazes me is people I run with who do use omen and still can't manage or monitor their threat. So many DPSers get totally locked in on their rotations/priorities and can't pay attention to anything else. This is why, I say...
...everyone should play a tank, at least for a while - you get obsessed with threat and watching omen because you always need to be on top and watching who's creaping up. Once you get used to watching omen as a tank, you find you pay attention to it much better when DPSing.
Actually, IMO, everyone should try every role. Like healing. You become a better player period when you experience every perspective of fights and have a better understanding of the big picture. Everyone should lead groups and/or raids a few times too so they can see all the BS leaders have to put up.
I believe I have zero respect for people who only play DPS classes and never step up to accept any responsibility, especially if they can't manage threat and can't deliver absolute top dps. If you can't even be good at the simplest thing in the game, you just suck.
Cata and this latest suck patch haven't made me (more) bitter, not at all.
Have a nice day.
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tantallous  Title: Thought Police
Posts: 192
Registered: 2002-1-11 23:14:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
While I don't see a reason for some classes to have it, and some not, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that post, and no reason to be attacking someone over it.
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
tantallous posted:
While I don't see a reason for some classes to have it, and some not, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that post, and no reason to be attacking someone over it.
Are you kidding me? There is every reason to attack him over such a retarded post.
He talks about playing every role but I don't think he does it himself, either that or he is a horribly crappy DPSer. The classes with no aggro dump can pump out so much damage that they can surpass a tank's threat easily. If Voqar actually played a healer like he claims other people should be doing he would know this.
If your class can pump out 20-30k DPS without even trying hard there isn't a tank in the world who can keep aggro from you.
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tantallous Title: Thought Police
Posts: 192
Registered: 2002-1-11 23:14:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
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Ugh_Lancelot  Title: Ooo...bouncy!
Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
Voqar posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Blizzard's reasoning behind why not all classes have an aggro dump is absolute crap by the way. Just give everyone a way to lose aggro without dying and quit being arrogant douchebags!
Or people could learn how to play.
You shouldn't need a regular aggro dump if 1, you tank doesn't suck and can hold threat, 2, you understand basic concepts like how tank threat works (particularly how vengeance ramps up in thecataclysm era) and dps accordingly (oh gee, I popped all my trinkets and CDs on the pull and got threat, what a surprise), 3, you pay attention to your surroundings and your threat.
Managing aggro is a group thing and part of overall fight strategy and management. The game is already ultra ez-mode, if everyone could readily dump threat there'd be yet another thing gone from the game and it'd be that much dumber and easier. They DO give you in-game threat measurements and addons make threat completely manageable. In ancient times the only way you knew you had threat was when the mob was pounding on you...it's come a long ways since then.
What amazes me is people I run with who do use omen and still can't manage or monitor their threat. So many DPSers get totally locked in on their rotations/priorities and can't pay attention to anything else. This is why, I say...
...everyone should play a tank, at least for a while - you get obsessed with threat and watching omen because you always need to be on top and watching who's creaping up. Once you get used to watching omen as a tank, you find you pay attention to it much better when DPSing.
Actually, IMO, everyone should try every role. Like healing. You become a better player period when you experience every perspective of fights and have a better understanding of the big picture. Everyone should lead groups and/or raids a few times too so they can see all the BS leaders have to put up.
I believe I have zero respect for people who only play DPS classes and never step up to accept any responsibility, especially if they can't manage threat and can't deliver absolute top dps. If you can't even be good at the simplest thing in the game, you just suck.
Cata and this latest suck patch haven't made me (more) bitter, not at all.
Have a nice day.
Ghostcrawler posts here? Whodathunkit?
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Arcilite_I Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
tantallous posted:
While I don't see a reason for some classes to have it, and some not, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that post, and no reason to be attacking someone over it.
You should change your title if you're going to hit Submit without any thought into what you just typed.
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
tantallous posted:
and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
Using that line of reasoning we might as well get rid of the threat drops from every class because obviously watching your threat is more important than doing enough DPS to down a boss.
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Ugh_Lancelot Title: Ooo...bouncy!
Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
tantallous posted:
and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
Because threat meters are always 100% accurate, and tanks never forget to taunt, and cooldowns are always up, and everyone has all bosses on farm and have every mechanic totally memorized. I agree 100%. Completely. Those idiots. Sheesh. /facepalm
(Was that too subtle?)
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-Peo-  Title: Caveat Lector
Posts: 408
Registered: 2005-2-2 08:38:42
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
Quazimortal posted:
tantallous posted:
and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
Using that line of reasoning we might as well get rid of the threat drops from every class because obviously watching your threat is more important than doing enough DPS to down a boss.
If only this worked. Alas, to some people dps does indeed > life.
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Ferrydust Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
Posts: 938
Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Tip of the Day - Dropping Aggro |
Quazimortal posted:
The only class with an aggro dump I ever see getting close to the tank's aggro is a warlock.
It's always been a problem with warlocks because their armor buffs heal them and that actually is getting them healing aggro too. Ever been doing a BG and a warlock is just standing there and suddenly Galv/Drek/Bal/Van aggro's him?
But yeah, fun to have classes that have aggro dumps in an AV where the tanks went down.
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