True. I've got about 1500 shotgun shells and another assorted 2k rounds of pistol and rifle brass that needs to be reloaded. Winter time fun... whee!

 

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Plus you are a main character so you are good to go!


Just don't stand near Korrigan or Boone when the zombies invade. Their brains will be eaten first and the zombies will still be starving, much like chinese food.

 

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The dumb thing is that this choice exists for all players at all times. Hell, you can play this way on a PvE server, just run around permaflagged. Those who want to play along with you are free to do the same. Further, on a PvP server, the choice exists for players to stay out in the world leveling rather than doing so in instances. They CHOOSE to level in instances.

I think maybe you overestimate the number of people who want the playstyle you do, vastly, like a handful of other delusional folks have done for 7 years now. Your playstyle exists for those who want to enjoy it. Your frustration with finding people to share that style of play with should speak to the number of folks who share your wishes.

 

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Cawlin you're offbase.

People level with the path of least resistance. Especially in a game where they've seen everything over and over and over.


If WoW came out and gave triple xp for being flagged pvp and for mob kills in the real world then people would flock to it like crazy. And I would be wrong for saying it was due to pvp and therefore we need only pvp servers. The opposite is true for your argument.


Whether or not one engages in pvp has little to do with leveling in instances. At this point it's all about speed and efficiency.


Over the years I've had toons on pve servers that I would "escape" to when i wanted to get away from guild BS. There is no doubt that I could level faster on them. But there is also no doubt that for me it was also incredibly boring. I'd have to get up from computer more to keep from getting drowsy. But i could also go afk whenever i wanted as well which was nice.


Both types of servers have their place. I don't really see why people bother arguing that the other way is "wrong" or trys to belittle the other style.


tldr- Game dynamics dictate people's leveling style. Don't use it to justify your style.

 

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LOL! You are both off base.

I'm not justifying anything.

I'm pointing out the FACT that the playstyle choice you want exists, it just so happens that very few other people also want to play the way you want.

You people are so wrapped up in the PvP/PvE server thing that you think everything is about that. It's not. The playstyle you want has been borne out to be a niche at best, by the choices of the VAST majority of the playerbase.

If it really mattered to people to play the way you want them to, they would play that way. It just doesn't matter to many people and they prefer playing a different way.

If more people preferred to gank and be ganked while questing, then more people would simply quest out in the open world and have at it. They don't prefer to do so, so they don't play that way. It's really that simple.

Instance leveling is not faster by the way, unless you're a tank, than leveling by questing, and even then, I think if you know the quests you can beat the rate of leveling by questing as a tank. If you are a plain old DPS class, you will level MUCH MUCH faster questing in the open world than by waiting for instance queues alone. People have already taken the "uphill" choice to avoid the playstyle you want... that should tell you something.

 

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LOL

The point is that it's not faster to level this way, not even remotely for DPS classes in particular. Having leveled 3 separate tanks via the dungeon finder, it's about a tie for leveling that way vs. leveling via questing, with questing pulling ahead if you know the quests already.

I read and comprehend your points perfectly. You fail to comprehend mine.

Ask yourself this question first:

Why do people avoid questing to level?


The answer to your problem is not to FORCE those same people out into the world to quest - that is the exact OPPOSITE of choice and only an imbecile would fail to see this.

If you want a 3rd (5th?) server ruleset for the 12 of you people who would be playing on it after 3 months, then say that, but don't pretend like the poor, starving, downtrodden PvPers are being held back by the man and his out of balance XP gain rates for instancing vs. questing.

Players on both PvP and PvE servers CHOOSE to level in instances not because it's faster (it's not), but because they'd rather not deal with people like you and because they can "play" and "level" (albeit more slowly and less efficiently) while cruising pr0n in between instance runs. The instance gear is nice for sure, but is surely NOT necessary to level and with the speed gained by questing in the open world, it's hardly worth it to delay yourself in an instance queue just to get a piece of gear you can level out of tomorrow night.

 

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LMAO! You're the one who CREATED this thread just so you could bitch that everyone was hiding in instances. The butthurt is strong with you Nancy.

I level by questing because if I am leveling a character, it's because I want to get it to 85 as fast as possible. The fastest way to do that is questing, period. If I want to level a tank, I do much of that in instances but that's just because I really like tanking and dislike melee characters otherwise. Because a tank will have instant queues for an instance, it is a tolerable rate of leveling, but slower than if I'd simply respec to a DPS spec and level by questing.

You're not even a good troll dude, I think you're either a Guttersludge alt or just another random monkey that wants a speshul ruleset for your playstyle.

Seriously, why do you think people avoid questing to level? Have you even figured this out yet? What makes you think that taking that choice away from them will make them want to come out and be ganked by your twinked rogue that now has nobody to stomp in the level banded BGs?

 

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Always something in WoW needing a fix. I only skimmed a few of the posts here. So my comments are likely of little use.

My very first toon at release leveled to 60 on a PvP server. Stranglethorn Vale and Ungoro Crater ... the joy! The agony! Gadgetzan. Blarg! Since I came to WoW from DAOC (way back when), when I would hear of attacks on Southshore or whatever, I would often head out to take part in the fight, partly out of a sense of duty like in the relic raids of DAOC. Back in those days there was no honor armor, no battlegrounds. And then, and now, there was little if any reward for world PvP.

Maybe I am wrong, but a lot of people spend their time in the game getting gear. Even if you mostly PvP, you spend a lot of time doing that PvP to get gear.

My point in this being, there really is no decent reward for world PvP ... except maybe the mount for killing world leaders. Make those leaders drop some uber loot and maybe more people would care about it.

There are a lot of failed / unpopular games out there that struggle to try and mix PvP with PvE. Apparently it isn't all that easy.

All my toons are on PvE server now. I wouldn't go back to a PvP server if Blizzard let me play for free. Too many punks out there wanting to gank. I have been ganked aplenty. And I have called on guild mates to come help out. It can be fun to a point. But, it gets old fast.

 

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/chuckle

I can't imagine why nobody wants to come out and play with you, but the fact is that they've chosen to do otherwise. Maybe it's because your playstyle just isn't all that popular, hell it would seem that it's widely regarded as a terrible playstyle since so many people will level more slowly than to engage in the one you want them to. Either way though, it's not all that important. The bottom line is that the game has moved on and it doesn't warrant a whole other ruleset just to accommodate you, too bad, so sad.

In the end, you wind up realizing that you are just as I said, a crybaby whiner who wants to force people to play your way. If you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, you'd have capitulated when this was made clear to you well back in the thread. Alas, you lack both comprehension and self awareness. Perhaps I have given you the latter, though the former will require you to do some more work on your own.

 

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Same for me. I came to WoW directly from DAOC and started on a PvP server, and responded the same way initially to attacks on my faction's towns. The reward for doing it was the entertainment of the PvP itself. That was before even the Southshore/Tarren Mill days, but those days were fun too.





You're not wrong, that's the purpose of this game for all but a very select few who spent their time getting their sub-max level characters geared (twinked) up so they could curb stomp people in level banded BGs who were just trying to pass time in them.





It isn't easy to do and still maintain any worthwhile reason to play both. Either you wind up with a good PvE game and terrrible PvP (WoW) or a great PvP game with terrible PvE (DAOC), or worst of all, a game with mediocre PvE and mediocre PvP (WAR).





You said a mouthful there.

 

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