Dead on with you there as well. Class of '75.


I think we totally agree.

 

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I don't understand what part of that is a either "spin" or a "stance".


I got black-balled at work during the early 80's by 2 other women managers when I point blank refused to agree to hire only women because they were women. I hire based on competence, integrity, qualifications, intelligence, etcetera, whether someone was male, female or an android from another planet. To do otherwise would have been, there's that word again, stupid. I could go on and talk about my experiences in over 30+ years and other cases where real problems existed. There's no point; playing a 'victim' turns my stomach. With the exception of those two other women, luckily, most of the other women I have ever worked with, and admired, have never felt the need to "be cutsie". Maybe because I neither cultivate relationships with anyone of any gender that rely on manipulation, etcetera, nor do I tolerate it. Maybe because my mother raised me that way.


If you don't believe that situations still exist in companies in America where women have to work harder to be seen as equal, all the way up through the boardroom, then nothing anyone says here matters. It's sad those still exist. Most of the women in those positions, are there by choice, understanding the trade-offs and demands. Just like the men.


This post is not directed at you, Peo, although it is based on your quote. It is there for clarification. Period.


And I'm sorry to have derailed the thread as well.


Let's get back to talking about how GC and/or his manager leaving could improve things with the game.....

 

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Good point. I don't have a lot of experience (at least in the work world) with people who use feminine wiles to manipulate the men around them. I'm sorry you do.


The *only* point I'm trying to make is that in senior management, where life isn't fair and there are always half a dozen people competing to take your job from you, and whether you get to keep your job or lose it depends on subjective judgments of those above you about whether someone from the bench can do better than you're doing, lots of people lose, never understand why, and play the race/gender/religion/old-boys-club card. Nonsense. You just got cut from the team, or never made the cut to get into the majors. Deal with it.


Note however that women are historically and statistically at a disadvantage in those subjective judgments. Ghostcrawler and his next 3 levels of management all deserve a lot of scrutiny of their performance, and probably have to spend a lot of their time selling themselves upward, just to stay in their jobs. A female has far less chance of surviving that scrutiny than a male. So a female who survived long enough to have one of those jobs is extremely unlikely to have acted as stupidly as Ghostcrawler and his bosses over the last 3 years.


This is about cold, brutal reality. You raise another part of cold, brutal reality, that there are females who (unethically in my opinion) manipulate the males above them in various ways. Nothing holy about any of it.