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Kriegprojekt  3 stars
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I know why Spooky hasnt posted in quite some time! He was out all Christmas Eve delivering Christmas presents to all of the good boys and girls of the world.

Spooky is SANTA CLAUS!!!


 

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JaconKin  1 star
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Korrigan, you say you won't shoot a man when he is down and also apparently you won't be posting here, but I know you'll be reading, well I'm sorry I will put a man down and in his place when needs to be put down. Others need to see this as well. You wish to label the following at me:


Korrigan posted:

The arrogance displayed here makes the above even more funny.



First you wish to label me as arrogant? What is arrogance? Arrogance is false confidence in ones on own ability. Further more to make up for this lack of true self confidence through a false self confidence, a person puts oneself on a pedestal thinking that they are better than everybody else. In order to maintain this appearance of superiority of others through the lack of true self confidence the person of arrogance must begin to put others down through discrediting them through some means or by labeling them with a derogatory term. Furthermore through the arrogance of false self confidence and in thinking that they are better than everybody else, and through the labeling of others they see as inferiors, the arrogant man becomes blinded by their own arrogance and the pedestal they have placed them self on. Eventually this leads to the point that the arrogant man is always right and others are always his inferiors.

This can clearly be seen in the following:


Korrigan posted:

The trolls and the GW2 fanbois unite...



Korrigan posted:

You oversimplify just to fuel your whiny stance... and yeah, you LIE.

But whatever... wait for your hypothetic paradise in GW2. During that time, I'll be enjoying a game that actually exists and is released, and is not nice promises on a web site.

And I don't even need to comment about the usual troll who doesn't even post any argument at all and possibly isn't even playing the game.



Korrigan posted:

JaconKin: you were once an "intelligent" poster who was posting interesting information about various games like WoW and LOTRO. But it seems you got infected by the local trolls, and also since you became a rabid fan of a game we know little about except promises on a web site, something you weren't doing before (and you would still not do if your claim of "bringing proofs". Since you started heralding GW2 here you lost common sense.



Korrigan posted:

. Keep on stroking each other's ePeen and pat each other on the back thinking you are right, if it does you any good. And thanks for this last laugh.



Every inch of the way, when asked to provide facts to otherwise back up any of your statements, you failed to produce them, only continue to use labels and derogatory language toward those you think you are superior too, the action of an arrogant man blinded by his arrogance.

Furthermore, the arrogant man through the blindness of false self confidence, when confronted by somebody confident in his knowledge and his argument can do nothing but use such means of derogatory argument, known as fallacies. When such tactics are pointed out, they go on ignored by the man of arrogance, blinded by his self confidence and the pedestal he has placed himself on. When asked to learn about the properties of good debate and thus intelligence, the ability to use logic and reason with out resorting to fallacy, the arrogant man then goes on to continue to label others, usually using the very term "arrogant" against the man of self confidence, as a means of trying to deflect his own arrogance away from him. Furthermore, the arrogant man will then try to place another label on the man of self confidence trying to further discredit him, while raising himself higher on his own pedestal.

This is clearly seen here:


Korrigan posted:

The arrogance displayed here makes the above even more funny. I was about to suggest you to find definitions of "dumbass" or something like that, but it's not necessary, you just owned yourself. I will me merciful and won't strike a man who is already down.



Furthermore when the man of self confidence is secure in his knowledge and presents the facts of his argument, the man of arrogance will lay claim and take credit of the work the other man has done by presenting the facts. When presented with the facts the arrogant man instead of accepting the facts presented will then try to twist the facts to his advantage, and that such facts destroy the others person argument's not there own.

This can clearly be seen here:


Korrigan posted:

Nothing more to say here. And thanks for doing my job, I wouldn't have typed such a long text and was about to give up arguing with the brick wall, but looks like the brick wall destroyed itself.



This is how the twisting of the facts though are done by the man of arrogance as seen in the following:


Korrigan posted:

Almost each steps within what you call "missions" is an independent quest.



The definition of a quest has always been in a MMO accepting the quest from the quest giver and the quest is only completed when turning in the quest and receiving a reward. That a quest isn't over until this takes place and that any thing required during the quest is nothing more than a task needed to complete said quest. This can also be seen in movies and in the military like Saving Private Ryan where the mission was to Save Private Ryan, any obstacles that prevented the company from completing the mission was just another task that needed to be overcome during the mission/quest. So it is with the Questing in TOR, one quest is giving, but at times multiple tasks need to be completed in order to finish the mission, the quest giving to you.

To label these tasks as separate missions when they are really tasks within the larger frame work of one mission is a misconception and an error in logic and reason. No reward is giving to you for completing these individual tasks within the larger framework of the one mission, even if a task is giving to you by another NPC, and as such to label them as separate quests when the standard definition of a quest is by MMO Standards is the accepting of a quest and when all tasks of the quest is completed the receiving of a reward is a faulty definition of the term quest.

Yet, the arrogant man, when presented with the facts will change what the definition of the facts and twist them to his advantage, and usually argue that it is a matter of semantics. The arrogant tries to show his lack of ability and knowledge and true self confidence by showing that he is "right" and the other is wrong as clearly shown.


Korrigan posted:

As I said, what you dumb down into a single quest, is in reality several quests in a row, that you intentionally simplify just to fit your agenda and to not have to admit being wrong.



The man of arrogance is never wrong, being blinded by the pedestal he has set himself on and above others.

That man of self confidence on the other hand is willing to admit his own mistakes when he is wrong and is willing to listen to the advice of others. The man of self confidence knows humility even if it pains and angers him to admit that he was wrong and a fool.

As shown here:


JaconKin posted:


http://vnboards.ign.com/world_of_warcraft_general_board/b19789/112059057/p1

The thread in question, if you notice, I acted the same way Korrigan has during this exchange. I learned from the past mistake, no matter where or who provided the lessons, since it wasn't just Spooky. I was caught with my pants down, and every post I made after that only made myself look more the fool. It was a tough lesson to learn and one that took a great deal of humility to understand that I was wrong, yet, provided a great deal of insight and knowledge to be gained as long as I was willing to learn from the mistake I made.



The man of self confidence knows that there is always knowledge and insight to be gained from others, even those you might not like or agree with, and doesn't put them down with labels and derogatory terms like the man of arrogance.

I leave you to ponder my words.

 

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SlyLoK  1 star
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As far as the topic of ToR v WoW..

My opinion is that WoW is still far beyond TOR as an MMO.
Zero_Washu  2 stars
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Registered: 2001-9-28 05:17:03
Blizzard doesn't have much to worry about. SWTOR is going to prove like SWG that while the IP can generate a big launch that it cannot cover up the lack of content, specifically the replay value, and that within half a year or less it will be obvious WOW is still king. While SWTOR brings forth some great new features, namely fully voiced acted quests (EQ2 only did NPCs), it has so many out of date features it makes it look like it was designed five years ago and not adjusted for the times.

 

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-Mithan-  4 stars
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I am having fun in SWTOR and could see this being my "alternate" MMO to WoW, unless GW2 actually impresses me which I doubt it will.

The funny thing though is that it makes me want to play WoW again. Go figure.

 

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Osito_de_Felpa
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-Mithan- posted:

I am having fun in SWTOR and could see this being my "alternate" MMO to WoW, unless GW2 actually impresses me which I doubt it will.

The funny thing though is that it makes me want to play WoW again. Go figure.



You'll get your wish if your SWTOR server is anything like as full as mine :-)

 

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How is this the only active thread on the WoW forum.
Azure-TheBlueOne  2 stars
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Posts: 319
Registered: 2003-2-24 19:25:37
ratster posted:

How is this the only active thread on the WoW forum.

Seriously?

It's a new MMO release that gives some competition to WoW, as well as being an MMO/gaming article in the mainstream media (regardless of its depth). Not to mention WoW has been around for more than a few years now and has had all of its horses forcefully beaten to death (more than once). You really have to wonder how this is the topic that is active?

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Arcilite_I posted:

Didn't you learn anything with WoW? Korrigan will defend this game until the next piece of crap that catches his interest comes along.

 

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JaredKorry  2 stars
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And of course any game that Korrigan enjoys and has a good opinion about will automatically be crap according to Arcilite. Grow up dude. /smh

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