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JaconKin  1 star
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Registered: 2007-1-16 18:00:40
The_Korrigan posted:

JaconKin posted:

Each Class quest is basically 3-4 quests on any of the planets, that is it

3-4? Please, don't lie.



You just wish I was lying and it is interesting you make statements, but have yet to provide evidence or give examples to prove anything I have said is actually untrue or wrong. Beyond the Starting planet that may have more than the 3-4 Class Quests. Every Planet after that is just 3-4 Class Quests. I don't know are you level 40 yet Korrigan. Have you actually sat back and examined how the questing goes, how it works out, or are you too blinded by the pretty voices.

For instance, Jedi Consular equals going to pick up my Class quest on Coruscant, going to quest hub area A to find Item A, doing sidquests and Class quest at Area A, turn in, Going to Quest Hub B to find Class Quest Item B, doing sidequests at Area B and Class Quest, Turn in, then going to Quest Hub C to Find Class Quest Item C, doing side quests and getting Class Quest Item C, the final class Quest is bringing Items A,B,C together at the Jedi Temple. After that is done you leave the Planet after talking to Jedi Council to get your ship. If you want to consider that an actual quest, well, you can then stretch that to 5 class quests, but Actual Questing where you are out in the field gathering items or killing people equals 4 total.

Sith Warrior Tatooine Questing. Land on Planet talk to Guide who Directs you to Cave A, do side quests at questing Hub A and do Class Quest at Cave A, talk to guide get directed to Quest Hub B and Cave B, enter Cave B and do Sidequests, Guide Then Directs you to House C where Sidquest Hub C is at, you go to House C talk to X character for class quest, do sidequests. Class quests completed, return to ship to talk to Y, stay on planet do Bonus Series of Quests.

Sith Warrior Hoth, After Battle on Ship above Hoth, land on Planet, don't talk to anybody for Class Quest as the person you are after is already in Cave A, get Sidequests at Hub A, Go do Sidequests and go to Cave A for Class Quest, Turn in Get Directed to Hub B for sidequests and Class Quest B, which is another Cave, Go do Sidequests at Area B do Class Quest at Cave B, turn in, get directed to Sidequest Hub C Cave C for Class Quest, Go get Hub C quests do them and do Class Quest in Cave C then go to Wreck ship D for Class Quest. Turn in Leave Planet.

Here goes a picture showing Hoth. I just finished the second part of Class Quest on the planet, the next and Final Part of the class quest takes place up at the next area/zone of the planet as indicated by the little arrow and doorway thing, where sidequest Hub C is at.



Hoth is interesting also because basically the Sidquests equal 2-3 Solo sidequests with 1 Group quest for that sidequest hub set.

Anyway that is how it goes for every planet after the starting planet, 3-4 Class quests at each planet, nothing more or less.

 

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Arcilite_I  4 stars
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Korrigan, lol

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
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I don't even want to argue with someone who is clearly anti-themepark... serious, jacon, why did you even buy this game? You KNEW before hand that you were going to dislike it. Maybe you need something to hate to fill your life and have something to whine about on this forum?

I'm not 40, I'm 38. I guess that makes my opinion less valid than yours? What you posted is total bullcrap. You oversimplify just to fuel your whiny stance... and yeah, you LIE.

But whatever... wait for your hypothetic paradise in GW2. During that time, I'll be enjoying a game that actually exists and is released, and is not nice promises on a web site.

And I don't even need to comment about the usual troll who doesn't even post any argument at all and possibly isn't even playing the game.

Now I have a class quest to continue... so excuse me if I leave you patting each other on the back

 

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Quazimortal  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
I haven't seen him say he hates it or even dislikes it. In fact I think I remember him saying something about thinking it was good.

 

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JaconKin  1 star
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Registered: 2007-1-16 18:00:40
The_Korrigan posted:

I don't even want to argue with someone who is clearly anti-themepark... serious, jacon, why did you even buy this game? You KNEW before hand that you were going to dislike it. Maybe you need something to hate to fill your life and have something to whine about on this forum?

I'm not 40, I'm 38. I guess that makes my opinion less valid than yours? What you posted is total bullcrap. You oversimplify just to fuel your whiny stance... and yeah, you LIE.

But whatever... wait for your hypothetic paradise in GW2. During that time, I'll be enjoying a game that actually exists and is released, and is not nice promises on a web site.

And I don't even need to comment about the usual troll who doesn't even post any argument at all and possibly isn't even playing the game.

Now I have a class quest to continue... so excuse me if I leave you patting each other on the back



Well clearly Quazimortal actually read what I typed. Also, it goes to show further that you didn't bother to read much of what I had to say figuring I also stated that I don't actually own the game yet because I couldn't afford my preorder, and will be getting it hopefully in the next couple of weeks.

I'd figured once you began to lose the argument further, this would be the next rabbit pulled out of your hat, so I actually stated in like my third post in this thread the below.


JaconKin posted:

Then of course since I am just pointing out the facts, it is apparent that some how I don't enjoy the game or am just trolling. The system is well done and interesting as far the story aspect goes, no denying that and my level 40 Sith Warrior can attest to that, but I am not blinded by the Veneer of the fluff of the system in place as well. I will call a spade what a spade is and the questing in the game is on the rails with your character being led every step of the way with zero options for the most part when it comes to questing and where and when you can quest in a given area.



So instead of providing your own examples or even trying to argue back you continue to do ad hominem attacks, poison the well, and then try to shrug of the burden of proof by using these fallacies and saying that I'm "oversimplifying" matters. How? Where am I doing so? Furthermore, by doing this, you try to deflect the argument to another topic by introducing said attacks and trying to put me on the defensive because of said attacks.

Furthermore here is what you had to say on the matter yourself:


The_Korrigan posted:

This is the big, big negative point.
Here is my problem (from the galactic map in the spaceship):
1-10: Tython - Ord Mantel
10-16: Coruscant
16-20: Taris
20-24: Nar Shaddaa
24-28: Tatooine
28-32: Alderaan
32-36: Balmorra
36-37: Quesh
37-41: Hoth
41-44: Belsavis
44-47: Voss
47-50: Corellia
50: Ilum
There's no choice, there's a single path, it's very linear, just like in Rift. BUT there's a major difference which makes SW:TOR still much better... each class has a totally different main story line, and you have two sides, which is 8 different stories to play (Rift only had two, one per side). That's why I still gave 6/10. But I still have doubts about long term replayability, unless Bioware have some aces up their sleeves to add content to existing planets. LOTRO had Evendim in their sleeve to add just after release, WoW had Maraudon, so possibly Bioware has something similar... or not. We will see. One thing needs to be said though, the first planets (Tython/Ord Mantel, Coruscant) may feel small and cramped, but later the planets open up and become much larger. For visiting them (dodging high level mobs, was fun), I can tell you Tatooine and Alderaan are HUGE.



So what now all of a sudden because I am painting the picture out exactly how the Questing works out somehow I am wrong and that somehow that A) I don't like the game. and B) that I am completely wrong and that some how I "lie" when you yourself pointed out this very issue and yet offer no evidence to contradict any of my statements. I started this out by stating that I intend to alternate between sides when leveling up other characters so I could break up the linearity better by not repeating the sidequests for that faction because what I have stated about the Class Quests is true.

You see the problem is the simple fact is that somehow I guess it must be you are either all in when it comes to a game and then defend any criticism label at said game, having to use argumentative fallacies when such criticism arise, and no matter what you must sing its praises and if you don't, well then, you must hate the game, are nothing more than a troll or fanboi of another game because constructive criticism or any criticism at all on a game is just not to be done.

You see, I remember when I made the mistake of making a statement about WoW losing subs to Aion without offering any proof and got slammed for it by the board. I learned from that past mistake, so if I am going to argue and debate, I will make sure I do it in the proper fashion with evidence while trying to avoid logical fallacies and statements. You've lost the argument because you dug yourself in the hole and any further argument is futile on your part because of this hole dug. So that is what make your opinion less valid than mine, not character leve, because you have yet to actually offer anything to the argument to back up your own statements besides resorting to argumentative fallacies trying to discredit me and my own argument.

 

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JaredKorry  2 stars
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Are you guys really arguing about TOR on a WoW board? I just find that hilarious. lol
Quazimortal  4 stars
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JaredKorry posted:

Are you guys really arguing about TOR on a WoW board? I just find that hilarious. lol



What I find hilarious is that someone would say JaconKin is oversimplifying anything at all.

 

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JaredKorry  2 stars
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Hell, I wouldn't know one way or the other since I don't play either game. It's just amusing to see people get so worked up about it. If someone enjoys a game, is there even a need to defend or justify liking it? Or not liking it for that matter?
Arcilite_I  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
JaredKorry posted:

Are you guys really arguing about TOR on a WoW board? I just find that hilarious. lol



Not nearly as hilarious as you insisting how much you dislike this community, but still won't leave.

 

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JaredKorry  2 stars
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Aww does it upset poor Arcy that I choose to post on a public message board in spite of it trying so desperately to make me leave? boohoo I love knowing it bugs you so much that I still post here. /waves

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