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Azure-TheBlueOne  2 stars
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Spookysheep posted:

Anyway, with all that aside, did anyone else find this to be one of the more poorly written NYT articles? I remember when the writers for NYT were top notch (even if you disagreed with the paper's politics) and this article seem very amateurish.

Laughably so, it felt like an article that would be written (read as: bought) in a gaming magazine. The crap is really piled on in there, I had to shower after reading it.

 

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Azure-TheBlueOne  2 stars
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JaconKin posted:

since questing is on the rails, even more so than LOTRO was before some changes and obviously more so than even WoW after the Cata changes.

Umm... I don't see how it could possibly be more linear than the craptastic phased trail you run through each zone in WoW after Cataclysm. I'm not sure it's possible to be more linear than that. Rival sure, but surpass... not likely.

 

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JaconKin  1 star
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Registered: 2007-1-16 18:00:40
Azure-TheBlueOne posted:

JaconKin posted:

since questing is on the rails, even more so than LOTRO was before some changes and obviously more so than even WoW after the Cata changes.

Umm... I don't see how it could possibly be more linear than the craptastic phased trail you run through each zone in WoW after Cataclysm. I'm not sure it's possible to be more linear than that. Rival sure, but surpass... not likely.



Umm, let's see here with WoW I have a two-three zones, at least 1-60, that I can go to level in at that particular level range with each one of my characters. I am not forced into this one zone/planet. Yes, TOR Questing is purely on the Rails because there is no other Zone option for any particular level range. Each planet is restricted to this number of levels with this number of quests available at any one time and once you are done with that area you are sent to the next little side quest area, that just so happens also be the area that your next "class" quest takes place. You are Completely on the Rails in this game as far as questing goes, more so than LOTRO and WoW combined.

I have a level 40 so I am now talking from experience, only have about 3 or 4 planets left I think.

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
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There are things about SW:TOR people ignore.

For instance, you have level 40 zones on Alderaan you can go back to when at the right level, if you wish.

 

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JaconKin  1 star
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The_Korrigan posted:

There are things about SW:TOR people ignore.

For instance, you have level 40 zones on Alderaan you can go back to when at the right level, if you wish.



Ah yes the Bonus Series of quest that either pop before you leave the Planet, or you are lead to when your story takes you back to one of the previous planets, for instance the Nar Shadda level 31 stuff. Come on Korrigan, that is one of the weakest defenses though I have seen. You know as much as I do that the questing is on the rails like going through through hyperdrive.

 

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Arcilite_I  4 stars
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JaconKin posted:

The_Korrigan posted:

There are things about SW:TOR people ignore.

For instance, you have level 40 zones on Alderaan you can go back to when at the right level, if you wish.



Ah yes the Bonus Series of quest that either pop before you leave the Planet, or you are lead to when your story takes you back to one of the previous planets, for instance the Nar Shadda level 31 stuff. Come on Korrigan, that is one of the weakest defenses though I have seen. You know as much as I do that the questing is on the rails like going through through hyperdrive.



Didn't you learn anything with WoW? Korrigan will defend this game until the next piece of crap that catches his interest comes along.

 

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JaconKin  1 star
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Aye, well it is interesting, I had yet to get the quest that will send me back to Alderaan, but now I know where to go once I complete the last Mission on Hoth where it will most likely send me. You see my next planet for my Story is a level 42 planet, I'm only level 40, so I knew that there had to be some place I was missing. The game holds your hand all the way through and if you don't complete or even do the bonus series of sidequests for planet continuing on is a difficult process in chasing your story quest.

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
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The trolls and the GW2 fanbois unite...

A guildie was 40, he went to Alderaan for a change but was absolutely not forced to do it, he still had tons of quests left.

 

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Arcilite_I  4 stars
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Of all the people to use the word fanboi in a derogatory manner rofl...

 

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JaconKin  1 star
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Lulz, it is amazing, one of the most pressing concerns for him from his impression was when looking at the Galaxy Map and theplanets and seeing no alternate path available for leveling and how that might all of a sudden cause issue when leveling alts. Now he is doing everything he can to defend the game and the fact that it is on the rails questing. Notice how he doesn't Disupute the Following:

Questing is basically as Follows:

A:Story Quest Takes you to planet start area where you talk to Class Quest guy at starting hub(later there is nobody to talk to at times here the quest is already someplace in the field). Pick up sidequests at Hub. Do side quests, do class quest, turn in these quests. While out doing said quest, "Bonus" Kill X Number of Mob quests appear. Sometimes they are multi layered, having more than one part, sometimes they are not and its just Kill 15 of these dudes.
B:After this your Class Quest and the next set of sidequest will take you to the next side quest hub, where quests are unavailable until you complete the above sidequest hub.
D: Each Planet has a total of 3-4 story quests total that you chase after, going from one side quest hub to another, from one zone of the planet, to a new zone of the planet.
C: Rinse and Repeat for every planet.

Basically also your story/questing is split up into Chapters of your story. 1-15 is the Prolgoue. 15-30 is Chapter 1, 30-40 is Chapter 2, and 40-50 is Chapter 3. Usually at the end or start of each chapter it might send you to a ship or something that is in the sky above the next planet you are supposed to land on that is an interlude between the chapters leading from the end of one to the start of the next.

It is also amusing that the best defense and argument you can come up with is an appeal to the poisoning of the well by having to use the Troll or Fanboi comment. Poisoning the well by using such tactics will not change the On the Rails Questing Model that is TOR and chasing the carrot on the stick that is your class quest from planet to planet, from side quest hub to sidequest hub, zone to zone on those planets.

Then of course since I am just pointing out the facts, it is apparent that some how I don't enjoy the game or am just trolling. The system is well done and interesting as far the story aspect goes, no denying that and my level 40 Sith Warrior can attest to that, but I am not blinded by the Veneer of the fluff of the system in place as well. I will call a spade what a spade is and the questing in the game is on the rails with your character being led every step of the way with zero options for the most part when it comes to questing and where and when you can quest in a given area.

 

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