By your own argument, if someone does have the gear but doesn't move out of the things that will kill them then they can't defeat any boss. Therefore it is not solely gear that defines whether or not you will win a battle, there is still some amount of skill involved. I'm not sure why you are so adamant to deny this statement, it's not like anyone is saying it's hard.

FYI: Even the ability to follow orders that flash on your screen is technically a skill otherwise the military wouldn't wash out people from basic training because all that is required of you there is to follow orders, and trust me people get washed out of basic training.

 

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WoW Mithan's panties are twisted lately, WoW sucks now, get over it.

 

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You guys are fighting a losing battle. Gutter seems determined to look down his nose at raiding. Any logical, reasonable person would realize that it takes more then "just showing up" to defeat high end raids but that's the mentality Gutter is stuck in so leave him to his delusions of grandeur.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on what constitutes skill (or lack thereof) in WoW. There's a point where "skill" cannot make a difference because of things like graphics horsepower, gear, ping and keybind selections. To be at the top of the game, it takes all of these plus the ability to follow on-screen cues. I submit to you that following the on-screen cues is a much smaller percentage of success in WoW than it is in just about any other game.

In fairness, I'll grant that Blizzard is between a rock and a hard place, here. If they made it forgiving to folks with deficiencies in the above areas, the top 20% would find things pathetically easy. Then again, 80% of their fanbase is 80% of their fanbase. /shrug

 

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Skill required for WOW:

Targeting: None required.
Not having to ever aim anything, or miss a target due to physical movement...(don't make me laugh with this one)

Movement: The fact that one can run THROUGH opponents makes this topic utterly laughable. I rate it 0.5 out of 10, just for the 35 seconds out of the month Mithan claims makes the 'skill' difference in "getting out of the fire". Puhhhleeassee.

Combat: 3 buttons. Skill required: Zero.
Digital whack a mole. My 5 year old daughter can do it.

Armor/Weapons: Skill required: None.

Just grind your 5 mans and raids, hour after hour, day after day, week after week, and one will eventually "win". This is not "skill". It is the epitome of grinding, and nothing more.

There isn't even anything close to the "resistances/banes" model that AC had.(not even back in Vanilla. Your "fire set" for Rag is still very insanely basic compared to the former) No requirement to know which mobs are immune to magic, or physical attack, or a certain element/damage type. No weapon switching EVER.


Summary:
Targeting skill required:0 out of 10 points
Movement skill required: 0.5 out of 10 points
Combat skill required: 0 out of 10 points
Armor/Weapons skill required: 0 out of 10 points

Total: 0.5/40

Add in your DBM in 60 point fonts telling you WHEN to move, and it becomes even less. 0.25/40

WOW is a gear based grind game, period.

 

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I'm discussing the game in general.

If you think moving 6 pixels to the left during a raid makes you 'special' or 'skillful', after DBM TOLD you to do so, then keep on thinking that.

The rest of us know the truth.

 

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Quasi, to follow your train of thought, breathing would require some amount of 'skill'. Using the bathroom. Eating.

If going through the motions of life equates to skill for you, I truly feel sorry for you bro.

I really do.


WOW skill required according to Quasi:

Equivocal to a bowel movement.

On second thought, you may be on to something here.....

 

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Okay. Whatever you say, Gutter. I showed up at a raid and just stood there. We didn't defeat the encounter even though we all had good gear. So much for your "all you have to do is show up" theory. /shrug

Also, I find it odd that you say "the rest of us know better" when everyone else is disagreeing with you. I guess "the rest of us" do know better then to believe your oversimplified tripe.

This is VN bro, everybody knocks out heroic raids one handed. The very idea of using DBM is so laughable that you should be mocked off of the intrawebz!!1!11

 

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I told you! Yes even controlling a bowel movement is a skill, granted it's one most people have no trouble learning but there are adult diapers for a reason!

 

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