the thing is you have no proof that either game is dying. so its not a truth, its your opinion. and here in lies the problem, you believe your opinion is fact. when someone disagrees with it you lash out at them with insults or passive aggressive comments.

what makes it so obvious is i pointed to evidence suggesting the game is not dying and never once did you bring anything but insults the table.

technically i started the hostilities

 

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Your get better post was obviously good-natured. I think Quazi just cannot stand when people don't agree with what he says, and tries to brow-beat them into seeing things his way. When that fails to work he starts getting more and more agressive to the point where it is entertaining to keep egging him on.

 

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i remember a time were all of us got along. cant we all stop being grumpy old men? heh. as far as SWG i loved that game! we never did get to play together kobe but it was a blast in itself.

 

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The proof was so obvious I didn't think it was worth mentioning. How about them completely revamping the game when it didn't need it, pissing off a large portion of their customers and causing them to cancel their subscriptions? Or how about the fact that they are finally closing down all the servers?

If my opinion wasn't so true most of the time you might have a valid argument, but I tend to see things correctly most of the time so defending my opinion like it's fact tends to be the correct action.





I knew all along Pass was ribbing me in good nature. Notice how I played along with him? No, I don't think you did notice it because you are more interested in trolling and baiting me. You even admit to it in the very post I just quoted.





Why would I have any reason to get along with the wastes of breath that are Gringor and Saxona? Pass is a cool guy who just likes to goof off and never seriously gives a crap about anything. Kobenator is pretty cool too, I even respect the fact that he defends his opinion about SWG. The first two though? Screw 'em.

 

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I was sorry to hear that SWG had been canceled as I know that Kobenator played the game.

As for DAoC dying it looks like the RVR numbers have been pretty steady this year as well as the primetime population for Gaheris. There has been quite an influx of new, returning and RvR players on Gaheris especially in the last 6 months or so. While I have complaints about lack of new content and an increasing focus on the removal of PvE barriers to quick entry to the RvR endgame, I can honestly say that lack of people to play with is not really a concern of mine. The server simply does not feel like it is dying, there are still a large number of people logging on and finding stuff to do and people to hang out with.

 

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Glad to hear it's holding off the inevitable for those of you who still enjoy the game. I may sound like I want it to die but that's purely a selfish desire from my disgust of watching the game get turned into something I couldn't enjoy anymore.

 

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Hey Beavers, are you guys playing again?

i played for 2 weeks while the soe servers were down but went back to swg as soon as it was back. daoc still seemed fun, but without my bots it just wasnt fun enough and with the bots i dont think it would have been $90 a month fun for how much time i can actually play.

as for swg, the two large game revisions were not due to losing players. they were officially done in order to balance the professions. if you never played swg, imagine if daoc you did not pick a class like warrior or eldritch or whatever. but instead you had points and you could mix warrior abilities and equipment with eldritch abilities and equipment and whatever. with 32 classes it took about a year for people to figure out the massively overpowered mixes. the developers tried tweaking things but it left some of the classes utterly useless and the overpowered mix just changed to something else. after the first combat upgrade they really didnt lose many players. in fact the game may have gained a smalla mount. the second combat upgrade called nge was slated as another balance change, and going from 32 mix and match professions to 9 do not mix professions does make it a hell of a lot easier to balance. but everyone knew the unofficial reason was lucas was furious that wow was so much more successful then swg. so they tried to copy wow and failed horribly. they gutted the complexity of the game, added instances, nearly eliminated player interdependency. they simplified the combat system and tried to mask it by speeding things up drastically, think diablo 2 combat but done horribly. rumor was they were going to release the game for playstation 2, which would make sense as it would have played nicely with a controller. but the droves of players leaving nixed that idea. at this time i would have agreed with you that the game was on life support. and it probably was for a year or two. but over time they brought back complexity, player inter dependency, character customization and many other things from swg past that made the game great. had the game been released as it is today people would be talking about swg instead of wow.

another big issue the game revamps attempted to fix jedi. jedi would be like having a class in daoc that could level up to 60 or 70. but you couldnt just start as a jedi it required a seriously long copmlex process to unlock. so it was limited to a few amount, but over time more and more and eventually it started to look like you needed a jedi to compete with everyone else. obviously this was a deterrent, who wants to a play a game that will take you 9 months to get to the same place everyone else is.