Lindsey Buckingham has been a favorite pick of mine for a long time..he's the bomb baby!

meh.

You people are more stuck in the past than I am. Besides, we are talking nuance and innovation. The talent and contribution of that list is obvious but there are lots of better guitarists than Townsend, Gilmore and LB.

 

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I didn't say anything about Fleetwood Mac. I said that Lindsay Buckingham was a more nuanced guitarist than Johnny Ramone.





First of all, there are certainly NOT "lots" of guitarists who are "better" than Townsend or Page, maybe a handful, like 3 or 4, including Clapton, Hendrix, and maybe Jeff Beck, possibly SRV, but up that close to the top, the names are pretty much interchangeable except for Hendrix. As for Gilmore and Buckingham, again, the argument was about nuanced guitarists, not about "best" guitarists.

Second of all, of the guitarists that are "better" than those on my list, none of them played in the Ramones.

Maybe this entire concept is too nuanced for you!

 

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Again you err, trying to tell me what my original point was. The actual discussion here is not your lame list, or even about "guitarists", but rather if the word nuanced applied to the Ramones. Returning to the subject after your little detour off context, lets review.

Since you say you can name other people that are more nuanced than the Ramones you have conceded that the Ramones are in fact nuanced. I missed the fact that you had already agreed with me.

Apology accepted.

 

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Yeah I would bail on this argument too if I were you...

 

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This is a good example of why you are a douchecanoe. The discussion was clearly about whether the Ramones were nuanced. You brought something else into it, and every time I made a claim or comment you tried to tell me what the context was. "Oh, it's not about this, it's not about that, it's about nuance"....

Anyone can read the thread. You brought in a straw man, then tried to correct me toward your straw man, and now you pull some limp wristed ploy when you are shown to be a hypocrite.

I'm following your supposed desire to stay in context. The context is whether the Ramones are nuanced, something you conceded in your very first post.

If you want to talk about guitarists I have already addressed that.





You are as bad as Yuki, you clearly don't know what nuanced means. Or context. Get a dictionary ffs.

 

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If you really want to resort to the dictionary:

"nuance:

1

: a subtle distinction or variation


2

: a subtle quality : nicety


3

: sensibility to, awareness of, or ability to express delicate shadings (as of meaning, feeling, or value)"

The ramones are none of those things. They were a great band but nuanced they were not.

Clearly your hubris led you to use a word you didn't actually understand. There is nothing nuanced about the Ramones or about Johnny's guitar playing. He's a straight forward precision speed thrasher - highly skilled, yes, nuanced, no.

With regards to using the word "more" - if A is more than B, this does not imply that B must have some quantity, merely that A has more of it. If B has zero of the quantity (as the Ramones have zero nuance), then A has more of it. I chose 4 guitarists who typified nuanced, subtle, artful playing and showed you those examples to explain to you what the word you were misusing meant.

Like I said, you should have bailed on this argument earlier. For the record, I've told youy this before but WWWWHHHAAARRRRRGGGLLELEEEBAAARRRRGGLLLELELEE doesn't actually make for any sort of credible argument, not even on the Outpost.

 

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So the takway is that both of you clowns are capable of reading a words definition and still failing to understand it. Go you.

Cawlin, in fact, doesn't even understand the word "more." No wonder he has trouble with more "nuanced" words.

The Ramones music is nuanced, as I said and as Cawlin admitted before he tried to weasel out of it. The fact that you two buttcheeks don't get that is a testament to your ignorance.

I covered this. The Ramones music has nuances of Motown, Doo-Wop, The Beach Boys, early Beatles (hence the original critics comment) and old school soul. The guitar itself is produced and amplified to include harmonics within the power chords, arguably adding nuance within the single chords themselves and creating harmony at the base level, while the songs contain nuances of the same musical genres, along with the new themes added through their own comic style.

Simple and subtle are NOT mutually exclusive.





Your biased and misguided opinion of the Ramones doesn't change the reality of their music.

While I am at it, which of you two guitar heroes can actually play a note?

 

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You still should have bailed on the argument dude. It doesn't matter how many "NO U!"s and weasels you try to sling around, you still look like a dipsiht for arguing this.

As for me, I've played guitar since I was 19 years old, so that's almost 23 years now. I play on a Washburn drednought acoustic electric that I bought in 1991.

I keep hoping to upgrade to one of the new Taylor acoustic electrics with the special neck construction and the excellent electronics, but they're kind of pricey and other expenses keep taking priority over my still excellent sounding Washburn. I want to move to the concert body shape (like the Martin 000) rather than the drednought because I want my playing to exhibit more of the nuances of my right hand work which I have trained for many years to not work like the dumb club that it is otherwise, given that I'm a left hander playing guitar right handed. The drednought shape is so bassy and bottom heavy that I lose a lot of the highs that I've worked so hard to bring out in my playing.

 

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