vn_nnanji posted:
You don't even know what more means.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply reporting the facts here. To back up my claims I have the entire rock music industry, countless covers, stories, interviews and critics from top rock musicians, top writers, top producers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
All of Rock pays homage to the Ramones as one of the greatest bands of all time, and agree that they revitalized Rock at it's lowest ebb (and again, that is a quote.) They saved Rock and Roll!
"Their only record with enough U.S. sales to be certified gold was the compilation album Ramones Mania.[7] However, recognition of the band's importance built over the years, and they are now cited in many assessments of all-time great rock music, such as the Rolling Stone list of the 50 Greatest Artists of All Time[8] and VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock.[9] In 2002, the Ramones were ranked the second-greatest band of all time by Spin magazine, trailing only The Beatles.[10] On March 18, 2002, the Ramones—including the three founders and drummers Marky and Tommy Ramone—were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[2][11] In 2011, the group was awarded a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award.[12][13]
Johnny Ramone was ranked by Rolling Stone as the 16th greatest guitarist of all time. Looking at Cawlin's "list" only Jimmy Paige outranks him there...and that was the only one I conceded to even belong on the list.

I don't agree with much of their list but it's nice to have Rolling Stone validate what I said.
Your opinions are in conflict with provable reality but that doesn't stop your stupid.
With the exception of the Beatles no band has been more covered or more copied.
Do. The. Math.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgfHZ02I2k
LOL dude... you're going to hold onto your stupid semantic weaseling argument? Really? Is English your second language?
For what it's worth, your Rolling Stone list is actually compiled by only ONE guy - David Fricke. The Rolling Stone list that is more than one guy's opinion is as follows:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123
Rolling_Stone posted:
We assembled a panel of top guitarists and other experts to rank their favorites and explain what separates the legends from everyone else. Featuring Keith Richards on Chuck Berry, Carlos Santana on Jerry Garcia, Tom Petty on George Harrison and more.
THE VOTERS: Trey Anastasio, Dan Auerbach (The Black Keys), Brian Bell (Weezer), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple), Carl Broemel (My Morning Jacket), James Burton, Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains), Gary Clark Jr., Billy Corgan, Steve Cropper, Dave Davies (The Kinks), Anthony DeCurtis (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Tom DeLonge (Blink-182), Rick Derringer, Luther Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars), Elliot Easton (The Cars), Melissa Etheridge, Don Felder (The Eagles), David Fricke (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), Peter Guralnick (Author), Kirk Hammett (Metallica), Albert Hammond Jr. (The Strokes), Warren Haynes (The Allman Brothers Band), Brian Hiatt (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), David Hidalgo (Los Lobos), Jim James (My Morning Jacket), Lenny Kravitz, Robby Krieger (The Doors), Jon Landau (Manager), Alex Lifeson (Rush), Nils Lofgren (The E Street Band), Mick Mars (Mötley Crüe), Doug Martsch (Built to Spill), J Mascis (Dinosaur Jr.), Brian May, Mike McCready (Pearl Jam), Roger McGuinn (The Byrds), Scotty Moore, Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth), Tom Morello, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Brendan O’Brien (Producer), Joe Perry, Vernon Reid (Living Colour), Robbie Robertson, Rich Robinson (The Black Crowes), Carlos Santana, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Marnie Stern, Stephen Stills, Andy Summers, Mick Taylor, Susan Tedeschi, Vieux Farka Touré, Derek Trucks, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Walsh, Nancy Wilson (Heart)
CONTRIBUTORS: David Browne, Patrick Doyle, David Fricke, Will Hermes, Brian Hiatt, Alan Light, Rob Tannenbaum, Douglas Wolk
That list, compiled by more than ONE person has:
Page 3
Townsend 10
Gilmour 14
Johnny Ramone 28
And AGAIN, my list was of "nuanced" guitarists. There are reasons to call a guitarist great other than nuanced playing, but it seems to me that if you want to now turn it into a question of who was the BEST guitarist, 3 of the 5 I listed are rated better than Johnny.
Here's another link that links to the ACTUAL list from Rolling Stone:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/23/jimi-hendrix-named-greate_n_1109574.html
Do. The. Math.
Oh and another thing, the reason the Ramones were so heavily copied was because their music was butt-stupid-simple to play and pretty much any half-assed garage band with a couple dozen music lessons between them or maybe just a couple hundred hours of practice between them could pull off passable Ramones faked covers for local bar shows and keggers. This doesn't mean that simple is bad, it just means that simple is simple. The Ramones definitely had something - longevity and energy mostly - that was unique about them, but it wasn't nuance.
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