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Szerek  2 stars
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vn_nnanji posted:

Tell me something I don't know noob.



The Ramones suck. Though I've already told you a few times.

Now, imagine Joey bend over the stall in the barn while the horse moves up behind him and he's shouting "AY OH, LETS GO! AY OH, LETS GO!" while he proceeds to get his Blitzkrieg Bopped.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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vn_nnanji posted:

You don't even know what more means.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply reporting the facts here. To back up my claims I have the entire rock music industry, countless covers, stories, interviews and critics from top rock musicians, top writers, top producers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

All of Rock pays homage to the Ramones as one of the greatest bands of all time, and agree that they revitalized Rock at it's lowest ebb (and again, that is a quote.) They saved Rock and Roll!

"Their only record with enough U.S. sales to be certified gold was the compilation album Ramones Mania.[7] However, recognition of the band's importance built over the years, and they are now cited in many assessments of all-time great rock music, such as the Rolling Stone list of the 50 Greatest Artists of All Time[8] and VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock.[9] In 2002, the Ramones were ranked the second-greatest band of all time by Spin magazine, trailing only The Beatles.[10] On March 18, 2002, the Ramones—including the three founders and drummers Marky and Tommy Ramone—were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[2][11] In 2011, the group was awarded a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award.[12][13]

Johnny Ramone was ranked by Rolling Stone as the 16th greatest guitarist of all time. Looking at Cawlin's "list" only Jimmy Paige outranks him there...and that was the only one I conceded to even belong on the list. I don't agree with much of their list but it's nice to have Rolling Stone validate what I said.

Your opinions are in conflict with provable reality but that doesn't stop your stupid.

With the exception of the Beatles no band has been more covered or more copied.

Do. The. Math.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgfHZ02I2k



LOL dude... you're going to hold onto your stupid semantic weaseling argument? Really? Is English your second language?

For what it's worth, your Rolling Stone list is actually compiled by only ONE guy - David Fricke. The Rolling Stone list that is more than one guy's opinion is as follows:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123


Rolling_Stone posted:

We assembled a panel of top guitarists and other experts to rank their favorites and explain what separates the legends from everyone else. Featuring Keith Richards on Chuck Berry, Carlos Santana on Jerry Garcia, Tom Petty on George Harrison and more.

THE VOTERS: Trey Anastasio, Dan Auerbach (The Black Keys), Brian Bell (Weezer), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple), Carl Broemel (My Morning Jacket), James Burton, Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains), Gary Clark Jr., Billy Corgan, Steve Cropper, Dave Davies (The Kinks), Anthony DeCurtis (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Tom DeLonge (Blink-182), Rick Derringer, Luther Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars), Elliot Easton (The Cars), Melissa Etheridge, Don Felder (The Eagles), David Fricke (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), Peter Guralnick (Author), Kirk Hammett (Metallica), Albert Hammond Jr. (The Strokes), Warren Haynes (The Allman Brothers Band), Brian Hiatt (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), David Hidalgo (Los Lobos), Jim James (My Morning Jacket), Lenny Kravitz, Robby Krieger (The Doors), Jon Landau (Manager), Alex Lifeson (Rush), Nils Lofgren (The E Street Band), Mick Mars (Mötley Crüe), Doug Martsch (Built to Spill), J Mascis (Dinosaur Jr.), Brian May, Mike McCready (Pearl Jam), Roger McGuinn (The Byrds), Scotty Moore, Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth), Tom Morello, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Brendan O’Brien (Producer), Joe Perry, Vernon Reid (Living Colour), Robbie Robertson, Rich Robinson (The Black Crowes), Carlos Santana, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Marnie Stern, Stephen Stills, Andy Summers, Mick Taylor, Susan Tedeschi, Vieux Farka Touré, Derek Trucks, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Walsh, Nancy Wilson (Heart)

CONTRIBUTORS: David Browne, Patrick Doyle, David Fricke, Will Hermes, Brian Hiatt, Alan Light, Rob Tannenbaum, Douglas Wolk



That list, compiled by more than ONE person has:

Page 3
Townsend 10
Gilmour 14
Johnny Ramone 28


And AGAIN, my list was of "nuanced" guitarists. There are reasons to call a guitarist great other than nuanced playing, but it seems to me that if you want to now turn it into a question of who was the BEST guitarist, 3 of the 5 I listed are rated better than Johnny.

Here's another link that links to the ACTUAL list from Rolling Stone:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/23/jimi-hendrix-named-greate_n_1109574.html

Do. The. Math.


Oh and another thing, the reason the Ramones were so heavily copied was because their music was butt-stupid-simple to play and pretty much any half-assed garage band with a couple dozen music lessons between them or maybe just a couple hundred hours of practice between them could pull off passable Ramones faked covers for local bar shows and keggers. This doesn't mean that simple is bad, it just means that simple is simple. The Ramones definitely had something - longevity and energy mostly - that was unique about them, but it wasn't nuance.

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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So....you think about anal sex a lot do you?

Edit-Cawlin maybe you should to to the Rolling Stone site and check again. The 100 lists are always available and Dave Frick is the senior editor of RS. Being an average guy you would prolly prefer averaged lists but I stand by what I said.

If you run into difficult words like "more" let me know and I will help you. Again, the discussion was not about "nuanced guitarists". It was whether the word nuanced applies to the Ramones, and that is something that you have already conceded.

No amount of contextual weaseling and butthurt backpedaling is going to change that.

Apology accepted.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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vn_nnanji posted:

So....you think about anal sex a lot do you?

Edit-Cawlin maybe you should to to the Rolling Stone site and check again. The 100 lists are always available and Dave Frick is the senior editor of RS. Being an average guy you would prolly prefer averaged lists but I stand by what I said.

If you run into difficult words like "more" let me know and I will help you. Again, the discussion was not about "nuanced guitarists". It was whether the word nuanced applies to the Ramones, and that is something that you have already conceded.

No amount of contextual weaseling and butthurt backpedaling is going to change that.

Apology accepted.



LOL I have said numerous times that the Ramones are not a nuanced band and also that Johnny was not a nuanced guitarist. It's up there in print man. Go ahead and read it. It's hilarious for YOU to challenge MY literacy given these facts.

You should have left this argument when your stupid could have been chalked up to your usual hubris, instead you're hanging around to be sure that your stupid is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Ok this thread is becoming too ridiculous even for me to continue arguing in.
Szerek  2 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

Ok this thread is becoming too ridiculous even for me to continue arguing in.



Yes, but I'm having fun here.

P.S. The Ramones really do suck. Any 3rd grader can learn to play Ramones songs with a Mel Bey Modern Guitar Method Grade 1 book.

C-F-G is all you need. If you really want to branch out and outshine the Ramones you can learn Am and become the 16th greatest guitarist of all time!

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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So you are both finally conceding. About time.

Apologies accepted.

Yuki, can you spend a moment to educate Crawlin as to what the word "more" means?

More:
1) greater <something more than she expected>
2) Additional, further <more guests arrived>


The Ramones ignited the punk-rock movement with their eponymous 1976 debut album. The fact that punk is thriving nearly thirty years later attests to the durability and worth of the genre they helped invent. Their short, combustible songs drew from the worlds of comic books, horror films, girl groups, and garage rock. They were a loud-fast punk-pop band, mixing humor and horror in equal measure and giving their urbanized fans a way to purge all the pent-up energy that comes from living in a concrete jungle. A Ramones set, especially in the early years, rarely lasted half an hour, and they might perform fifteen or more songs during the sonic blitzkrieg. Their originals were just that – without question, they were the only group in rock history to write two songs about cretins and twenty-five that begin with some variation of the pronoun “I” – while the songs they covered were unfailingly well-chosen, including the Rivieras’ “California Sun” and the Trashmen’s “Surfin’ Bird.”

Slagged by old-guard sorts who couldn’t hear or didn’t understand, the Ramones nonetheless connected with a youthful underground in New York, London, Los Angeles, and eventually the whole world. They never had a Top Forty hit, which seems an ironic pity since their songs possessed a melodic, hypnotic and energetic magic that would have served the stultifying AM playlists of the Seventies well. Such Ramones classics as “Blitzkrieg Bop,” “Glad to See You Go,” “Sheena Is a Punk Rocker,” “Rockaway Beach,” “I Wanna Be Sedated,” “Rock ‘n’ Roll High School,” and “Do You Remember Rock ‘n’ Roll Radio?” have stood the test of time, while the terrible records that clogged the Top Forty during the period the Ramones were minting these brilliant nuggets now elicit groans and mockery. As Tommy Ramone put it with no false modesty in the liner notes to the Ramones’ Hey Ho Let’s Go!compilation – which crammed 55 songs on two CDs – “This is art. Sometimes it doesn’t sell at first. Sometimes it takes awhile for the world to catch on.”

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Szerek posted:

Yukishiro1 posted:

Ok this thread is becoming too ridiculous even for me to continue arguing in.



Yes, but I'm having fun here.

P.S. The Ramones really do suck. Any 3rd grader can learn to play Ramones songs with a Mel Bey Modern Guitar Method Grade 1 book.

C-F-G is all you need. If you really want to branch out and outshine the Ramones you can learn Am and become the 16th greatest guitarist of all time!



You're forgetting, you've gotta learn them as power chords (no need to bother with those complex first position fingerings) and learn "the box" and you're golden!

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
vn_nnanji posted:

So you are both finally conceding. About time.

Apologies accepted.

Yuki, can you spend a moment to educate Crawlin as to what the word "more" means?

More:
1) greater <something more than she expected>
2) Additional, further <more guests arrived>



Mathematically, is one MORE THAN zero?

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Is zero a number? Does it have a value?





Add "context" to the list of words you fail to understand.

You should go back and sue your school. You got left behind.

 

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