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reesescups  Title: //Captain America
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Not having relegation makes American sports stale |
paulg_68 posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
I forgot that Americans refuse to look up words they don't understand.
Relegation means the bottom three teams in the league get demoted to the lower league. In return, the top three teams from the lower league get promoted into the top league. It's a little more complicated than that in practice but that's basically how it works.
I did look it up. That definition wasn't in my dictionary.
That actually seems like a mostly good rule though from a competition standpoint. However, the NFL is a business. If Chicago, the New York Giants, and Dallas all had bad seasons, it would be financial suicide for the NFL to boot them for a year or three.
Not for the NFL or the league - but for those teams yes.
Leagues are structured differently here and there isn't as much of a local tie in to 'lower level' teams or leagues.
In England there is what 5 or 6 tiers of leagues - and even those lowest leagues (Basically your average bar league) have a chance to play against the big teams in a cup tourny.
Yuki - I 100% agree about promotion and regulation - I think it would do wonderful things to many American sports and their fan base. It would never happen here though because wel - our sport franchises and systems are too entrenched and would never open themselves up to that level of competition.
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Date Posted:
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god theory but there is no second league to do this with.
i imagine in europe you just have the same shitty teams switching leagues every year. i doubt a B grade team will move up the ranks in the upper division.
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vn_nnanji Title: Outpost Music Expert
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Yukishiro1 posted:
vn_nnanji posted:
Again Yuki's internal bias leads him to assume things not in evidence.
What does that even mean?
You don't believe relegation has any impact on how hard a bottom of the table team plays? All you have to do is watch one match. Even you would be able to see the difference it makes.
It's just a fact that in American football bad teams are rewarded next year with preferential treatment where in European football they're kicked out of the league entirely. Pretty big contrast.
edit: It also isn't really a soccer vs football thing. Rugby has relegation too. And the American soccer league doesn't have relegation, which is part of why it is considered a joke league by the rest of the world.
I think NFL football works as intended, and that making up leagues to move people around is stupid. The idea that the losing teams get first draft pick works great. So what if a handful of teams suck ass, nothing will fix that. It is what it is.
You don't think teams would lay low to be the top of some other league? What, you want qualifying runs? WTF is this, NASCAR?
I also think you're a soccer loving poof. I don't know or care about American Soccer because it's prolly full of Europeans and European wanna bes, none of whom could play for the worst NFL teams out there.
Unless someone is looking for a kicker.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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The current league leaders of the top English league were in the third division 8 years ago.
And of the three teams that moved up this year, two of them have a good chance of staying up. |
Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Relegation is a dumb idea, and makes soccer look like the second class sport it is. Maybe it's a decent solution for a league that has the same teams be perpetually bad, but most American pro sports have better parity than that.
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Walker_ID Posts: 673
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force your 3rd world sports rules on Ethiopians and stop trying to change things you don't understand
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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vn_nnanji posted:
You don't think teams would lay low to be the top of some other league?
Dude. Just stop. You're embarassing yourself. If you had any clue what you're talking about you'd realize it.
No team ever intentionally tries to get relegated. The financial consequences are absolutely dire. Being in the premier league is worth about 40 million a year compared to about 5 million a year for the championship. When you get demoted you get 40 million over 4 years to cushion the blow but you're still down 25 million a year.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Seething199 posted:
god theory but there is no second league to do this with.
i imagine in europe you just have the same shitty teams switching leagues every year. i doubt a B grade team will move up the ranks in the upper division.
Some of the bigger clubs will hardly ever face regulation. You get a solid middle of the table teams and then the lower teams. Once a team gets regulated it's tough because most of the players will have clauses in their contract so they can move to a bigger club, but not all exercise that clause. Anyway - good teams that just have a bad season due to injuries, suspension and such - they usually get promoted back within a year or two. But some clubs can spiral out of control and get regulated a few seasons in a row and wind up in 3rd or 4th tier league. Then again a few teams push through year and year of successful promotions to go from a tier 3 or 4 league all the way up to Premier league, and then they fight like hell to stay there...
The premier league is one of the toughest leagues in the world. Predominantly there is the 'big four' - the big four teams you expect to always see at the top. These spots qualify for other Euro Super Leagues like Europa and Champions league. However, the competition is so fierce in the PL that it's becoming the top six or the big six.
Anyway - could talk for hours about this - there are hundreds of teams, and yes percentage wise most teams are or will be staying in whatever league they are in for most of their history. However, there is a lot of movement up and down through the tiers and it's fun to some times research various clubs and watch as move around the leagues.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Haven't read the thread.
There is much more parity in American Football then there is in European Football. Look at the winners circle in the EPL.
So while I agree it might add some excitement to add promotion\relegation, it doesn't do much for overall competitiveness.
I much rather prefer the excitement over the Top Dawg in the league then who is coming in next to last place.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Right now in the premier league there's probably 6 teams out of 20 that can realistically fear relegation. There are probably 8 teams in the championship that can realistically aim for promotion.
Right now it is looking like only one of the three teams relegated last year is likely to return to the premier league next year, although a second still has a decent chance of it. Meanwhile, two of the three who got into the premier league this year look reasonably likely to stay in it.
If you view things over a 10+ year period there is not going to be a massive amount of movement from the teams you saw 10 years ago in the top flight to the teams you see now. But it has an enormous effect on how hard bottom teams try, which is what prompted this thread originally.
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