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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

And defense in football is if anything probably easier to coordinate than soccer if you have to bring in an alternate player.



So in defense of the point that in the NFL there are sometimes players that are very important to ensuring coordination of defense you point out that soccer doesn't have that and think that helps your argument.


You don't seem to really get what is being talked about at all. You clearly have a predetermined conclusion and can't defend it with anything but your own stupid.

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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reesescups posted:

Sin_of_Onin posted:

You are still stuck on stupid.


First off to buttercup. More injuries means that mathematically one team can be hit really hard by injuries while another isn't.





If the average is 1 injury per team it is very unlikely that one team has 7 more injuries than another. If the average is seven then the odds of one team having 3 less than 7 and one having 4 more than 7 is not that big.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Sin_of_Onin posted:

Yukishiro1 posted:

And defense in football is if anything probably easier to coordinate than soccer if you have to bring in an alternate player.



So in defense of the point that in the NFL there are sometimes players that are very important to ensuring coordination of defense you point out that soccer doesn't have that and think that helps your argument.



Hmm. Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit today.


Players understanding how to play with one another is if anything more important in soccer than in football because you don't get to stop the clock every 15 seconds to reorganize. And because you can have direct coach input during the game, which isn't really possible in soccer except in very basic ways. And because a single error quite often determines a soccer match while a single error is less likely to determine the outcome of a football match.


Not to rehash stupid stuff but your other point a bit earlier about relegation only existing because strong teams arn't relegated is verifiably false. It's true that strong teams are rarely regulated, but it does happen from time to time. They usually make it back up the next year.
Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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So you countered my point about key defensive leaders by ignoring it and claiming victory... again.


It is a fact that relegation works better in a system with less parity. The more parity there is then the more likely the big market teams will be relegated. This is a fact.


You admitted yourself even in your defense that big market teams are less likely to be relegated and even when they are they bounce back.


Your counters are stupid and demonstrate your ignorance of football. Again.


At first I assumed this was a troll thread but it is clear you are convinced of your own stupid troll and can't let it go.

 

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reesescups  4 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

Not to rehash stupid stuff but your other point a bit earlier about relegation only existing because strong teams arn't relegated is verifiably false. It's true that strong teams are rarely regulated, but it does happen from time to time. They usually make it back up the next year.

Example - Newcastle...

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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reesescups posted:

Yukishiro1 posted:

Not to rehash stupid stuff but your other point a bit earlier about relegation only existing because strong teams arn't relegated is verifiably false. It's true that strong teams are rarely regulated, but it does happen from time to time. They usually make it back up the next year.

Example - Newcastle...



Or River Plate last season.


Juve got kicked into Serie B in 2006 for cheating, which is a bit different I guess, but does also put the lie to the idea that the FAs won't tolerate big clubs being relegated.
Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Sin_of_Onin posted:

So you countered my point about key defensive leaders by ignoring it and claiming victory... again.



Not ignoring it. It's just a very stupid point. On the pitch leaders matter more in a sport where the coaches have less control and where you can't reset things every 15 seconds, not less.
Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

Not ignoring it. It's just a very stupid point. On the pitch leaders matter more in a sport where the coaches have less control and where you can't reset things every 15 seconds, not less.



Without these defensive captains in football the impact of the coaches is decreased. When Urlacher was out it took away a lot of the team's defensive playbook. Football literally has a role that soccer does not because of the reset. It drastically increases the potential of coaches to impact the game which in turn places more importance on certain players to make sure the defense is doing what the coach wants. Without that key player on D there are examples of defenses falling apart.


One reason Indy was bad this year was because they were without their D captain.


The more you talk about football the clearer it becomes that you don't get it so keep talking.

 

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reesescups  4 stars
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Sin_of_Onin posted:

Yukishiro1 posted:

Not ignoring it. It's just a very stupid point. On the pitch leaders matter more in a sport where the coaches have less control and where you can't reset things every 15 seconds, not less.



Without these defensive captains in football the impact of the coaches is decreased. When Urlacher was out it took away a lot of the team's defensive playbook. Football literally has a role that soccer does not because of the reset. It drastically increases the potential of coaches to impact the game which in turn places more importance on certain players to make sure the defense is doing what the coach wants. Without that key player on D there are examples of defenses falling apart.

One reason Indy was bad this year was because they were without their D captain.

The more you talk about football the clearer it becomes that you don't get it so keep talking.

You know your sport sucks when your best argument is that you need middle managers or the whole team falls apart...

 

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Manegarm  4 stars
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How extremely boring the US leagues must be if there isn't any room for movement, if everyone just stays the same how can the game evolve?

My team won the Swedish cup some 10 years ago and now it's down 2 leagues from the top because of poor management and bad player deals, idiocy and incompetence should not be rewarded. My team is where it is because of management sucks.. While other teams like Assyriska a team from Södertälje a very immigrant heavy city has risen because of hard work and local talent, this means that the game in Sweden evolves and we get a better larger pool of players to choose from when it's time for the European cup or world cup..

oh wait there is no world cup in handegg or baseball because no one else plays it because it sucks.


NuEM posted:

Why are Americans so insecure about their sports?



Nannjar sounds like he's going to have an aneurysm..

 

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