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Cawlin  Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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The current manifestation of "liberalism" focuses on providing "equality" by reducing everyone's freedoms to the lowest common denominator.
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Szerek  Posts: 338
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Remnant_OBrien posted:
Moe, Federal edicts are often the best recourse to protect rights from infringement by the states.
You mean like when they crack down on medical marijuana users or how they allow states with civil union laws to file IRS joint returns?
We need infringement protection both ways.
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paulg_68 posted:
Remnant_OBrien posted:
Moe, Federal edicts are often the best recourse to protect rights from infringement by the states.
Like when California legalized medical marijuana and Obama sent the feds in to ensure the suffering of little old ladies with glaucoma in order to protect the interests of his campaign donors at Pfizer?
Yes actions similar in nature have been used in the past to protect the rights of citizens. That particular action, probably not. On the other hand I sincerely doubt that you believe drug use is a right.
Szerek, we all expect that granting equal rights to gays is going to become federal law at some point. And that's the end goal, federal protection of rights. Just because it the edict doesn't exist yet, doesn't mean its still not the optimal result. And once it exists you know there will be folks who resent it.
Your last sentence is really telling, we need infringement protection both ways. Your primary concern is with protecting rights.
Paul is more interested in partisan sniping and anti-government hogwash.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Cawlin, I have a question for you.
Do you believe that some people should have more freedoms than others?
I generally think accessibility of freedoms should be equal, and with that goal in mind i fail to see how to avoid pursuing a common denominator.
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
Posts: 2,511
Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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Are you trying to convince conservatives to become liberals?
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Poor Obrien.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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Remnant_OBrien posted:
Cawlin, I have a question for you.
Do you believe that some people should have more freedoms than others?
I generally think accessibility of freedoms should be equal, and with that goal in mind i fail to see how to avoid pursuing a common denominator.
When Obrien says "freedoms" he means other people's money.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Opposition to liberalism (and all its' varied attempts at expanding freedom and equality) |
Remnant_OBrien posted:
Cawlin, I have a question for you.
Do you believe that some people should have more freedoms than others?
I generally think accessibility of freedoms should be equal, and with that goal in mind i fail to see how to avoid pursuing a common denominator.
I think that convicted criminals should not have the same freedoms that others do.
Aside from that, if I am free to ride my mountain bike, but you are not because you cannot afford a mountain bike, it doesn't make us more free if you outlaw bikes. It might make us equal in that regard, but freedom is not increased. Now, it would be a good idea to remove barriers that make it hard for you to have a bike, as long as you were willing to work towards it honestly, but that's not always the way modern-day "liberalism" works.
Modern day liberalism is about outlawing bikes.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
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Well said Cawlin!
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Tych2 posted:
Are you trying to convince conservatives to become liberals?
No not really. I'm pretty sure everyone here is pretty set on what they believe.
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