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Remnant_OBrien  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-5-11 17:03:52
And yet magically they have difficulty voting..

Just because you're willing to make excuses for it doesn't mean they aren't having difficulty voting. Is that the same standard you have for other rights? Difficult to exercise is to be expected, and accepted?


Cawlin posted:

Is there no end to the lengths Dems will go to get Shaneequa Johnston and all her 5th generation welfare neighbors to yank the big (D) lever 78 times each?



and with that you're done in this thread.
A: Racist.
B: Denying right to vote based on A.
C. You don't give a rats ass about the right to vote.

Now we just get to see who will come in here and roll around in your garbage.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
Remnant_OBrien posted:

And yet magically they have difficulty voting..

Just because you're willing to make excuses for it doesn't mean they aren't having difficulty voting. Is that the same standard you have for other rights? Difficult to exercise is to be expected, and accepted?


Cawlin posted:

Is there no end to the lengths Dems will go to get Shaneequa Johnston and all her 5th generation welfare neighbors to yank the big (D) lever 78 times each?



and with that you're done in this thread.
A: Racist.
B: Denying right to vote based on A.
C. You don't give a rats ass about the right to vote.

Now we just get to see who will come in here and roll around in your garbage.






Really there were no stories of voter fraud in the inner city ghettos during the last presidential election? My stories are completely unfounded? It's not too much to ask these people to get a fkn ID man, it's really not. If you call that denial of voting rights, you're an even bigger monkey than I thought.

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
Cawlin posted:

Remnant_OBrien posted:

My statement doesn't need proof...

My statement was "My first example of a freedom would be equal access to the ballot box." That's not even claiming that people don't have equal access. My latter statement did that. English you idjit. But seriously, if you're too lazy to go check the state of voting rights in the country you don't care that much about freedom.



So your statement was to provide something that everyone already has and that's an example of what modern liberalism gives us?

If only modern liberalism would actually limit itself thusly...



A lot of states lead by Republicans are imposing or trying to impose lots of rules that make access to voting more difficult. One of the states now requires official picture IDs to vote, but, specifically says college official IDs don't count, as they don't want all those liberal college kids to vote.

To get a picture ID in, I think S. Carolina you have to bring in a birth certificate or other proof of citizenship. Well, lots of older blacks don't have any documentation because whites didn't consider them important back in the day. This will make it very difficult for 10s of thousands of black folks to vote.

Another state said no early voting on Sundays. That's because lots of black churches organized busing and voter registration, after Sunday service, to get their parishioners to the polls to vote.

In Wisconsin, they instituted the requirement for a picture ID. You could get one for little or no charge from the Auto Bureau, but, at the same time they instituted that, they closed a bunch of Auto Bureaus in Democratic areas.

In one state, they changed around a lot of polling locations and, at the same time, passed a rule saying that voting officials were under no obligation to tell folks who showed up at the wrong station where they needed to go.

The list goes on.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
Groucho48 posted:

Cawlin posted:

Remnant_OBrien posted:

My statement doesn't need proof...

My statement was "My first example of a freedom would be equal access to the ballot box." That's not even claiming that people don't have equal access. My latter statement did that. English you idjit. But seriously, if you're too lazy to go check the state of voting rights in the country you don't care that much about freedom.



So your statement was to provide something that everyone already has and that's an example of what modern liberalism gives us?

If only modern liberalism would actually limit itself thusly...



A lot of states lead by Republicans are imposing or trying to impose lots of rules that make access to voting more difficult. One of the states now requires official picture IDs to vote, but, specifically says college official IDs don't count, as they don't want all those liberal college kids to vote.



First off, getting a college ID is pretty easy, faking one even easier. Secondly, college students don't vote, and you know this. I live just outside State College, PA where 45,000 college students attend school every year, less than 10% of which vote. I'm pretty sure that the ones who want to vote will actually have a driver's license.


Groucho48 posted:

To get a picture ID in, I think S. Carolina you have to bring in a birth certificate or other proof of citizenship. Well, lots of older blacks don't have any documentation because whites didn't consider them important back in the day. This will make it very difficult for 10s of thousands of black folks to vote.



Tens of thousands eh? Tens of thousands who have managed to collect social security or welfare or have Social Security # and a job but who can't get a driver's license? Yah right.


Groucho48 posted:

Another state said no early voting on Sundays. That's because lots of black churches organized busing and voter registration, after Sunday service, to get their parishioners to the polls to vote.



Well voting is kind of supposed to occur when it's supposed to. I don't know why all these folks couldn't show up to the church and get bussed to the polls on the actual day they're open.


Groucho48 posted:

In Wisconsin, they instituted the requirement for a picture ID. You could get one for little or no charge from the Auto Bureau, but, at the same time they instituted that, they closed a bunch of Auto Bureaus in Democratic areas.

The list goes on.



I don't know why in Wisconsin they closed these DMVs but if I had to guess, I'd guess that if all these 10s of thousands of blacks don't get driver's licenses or non-driver photo IDs that the DMVs really aren't doing that much business in those areas right?

Seriously, why do only Democrats need all these special allowances to vote? Why can't they get an ID and get to the polls on the right day like everyone else?

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
Picture IDs don't prevent voter fraud. You can try to minimize or pooh-pooh what Republicans are doing, but, they are deliberately trying to limit access to the ballot box by groups that traditionally vote Democratic.

Meanwhile, do you have any prrof that "Is there no end to the lengths Dems will go to get Shaneequa Johnston and all her 5th generation welfare neighbors to yank the big (D) lever 78 times each?" is going on? Any whatsoever?

 

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Grymlo  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
Liberals need all the voter fraud they can get in order to win elections. The only way they can accomplish this is by allowing anyone to vote no matter their legal status in this country.

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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Grymlo posted:

Liberals need all the voter fraud they can get in order to win elections. The only way they can accomplish this is by allowing anyone to vote no matter their legal status in this country.



Nice job memorizing a right wing talking point!

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
Groucho48 posted:

Picture IDs don't prevent voter fraud. You can try to minimize or pooh-pooh what Republicans are doing, but, they are deliberately trying to limit access to the ballot box by groups that traditionally vote Democratic.

Meanwhile, do you have any prrof that "Is there no end to the lengths Dems will go to get Shaneequa Johnston and all her 5th generation welfare neighbors to yank the big (D) lever 78 times each?" is going on? Any whatsoever?



No, but it makes it harder to do, and requires more complicity from others to pull off.

As for proving my question, it was a question. Do you have any proof that it's not going on? Any whatsoever? There were reports of it during the last and other presidential elections as well.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
Groucho48 posted:

Grymlo posted:

Liberals need all the voter fraud they can get in order to win elections. The only way they can accomplish this is by allowing anyone to vote no matter their legal status in this country.



Nice job memorizing a right wing talking point!



LOL really dude? Your entire post is a memorized talking point - I can tell because you included students - and you know damn well better than that but just slapped it right down there. Tell the truth, did you PM Remedial this link lol?

 

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Remnant_OBrien  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-5-11 17:03:52
I'm going to go back to it again, but how is your statement anything other than I don't think black people have a right to vote and am okay with efforts to make it more difficult. You didn't specify that they're not eligible to vote.. you just used some example of a stereotype on welfare and said she doesn't deserve to vote.

 

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