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Sin_of_Onin  Posts: 1,307
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If the kid has a gun then confronting him puts everyone nearby at risk.
It was 20 minutes from him pulling the gun from him being shot.
Schools are taught to basically run from the student and isolate them.
Questions have to be asked about how the cops approached this situation and how they will approach others. There is no way to know about this situation or the next but in hindsight it is obvious that this was suicide by cop and there are clear indications it was suicide by cop before hand and that it could have been avoided.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
Do you believe that the cops would have shot that kid if he'd put the gun down? Yes or no?
More than likely yes.
None of that has ANYTHING EFFING thing to do with anything I have been trying to discuss...
effing moron.
The bold up there has EVERYTHING to do with what you are trying to discuss. You have an irrational bias that the cops went blasting through the doors of the school with the sole intention of ventilating this brown person. You're worse than swirly because he's not even coherent enough to realize he's frothing at the mouth, you know you are but are trying to pretend like you aren't.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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What was the clear indication that it was suicide by cop before hand?
i thinka lot of violent people say they aren't afraid to die. I'm not sure that means they won't take others with them, or even that they want to die.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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Cawlin posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
You don't know that Cawlin and you refuse to even ask the question.
I know that that was a reasonable and correct assessment of the situation in the moment. In retrospect (I.e in irrelevantspec) it didn't turn out that way, and that's a sad thing, the whole thing is sad, but in the moment that assessment was correct.
Maybe you're thinking of some Denzel Washington or Mel Gibson movie where the hero cop walks up to the dangerous guy and with seemingly no regard for his own safety and perfect confidence that the crazy guy will acquiesce, talks him down and disarms him all nice and neat. If so, those are movies, not real life.
You are still confused, it is sad to watch.
As soon as the cop is in danger the child is in danger. The escalation of threat to the cop and the child are the same.
I am specifically suggesting that the cop doesn't escalate the situation. That the school is trained to respond by isolating the student so that the situation can be controlled by the cops when they arrive. Considering it took 20 minutes and the child had no capacity to hurt anyone it is hard to believe that the cops had no choice but to escalate the situation to the point they did. The idea that immediate action was needed is questionable given the 20 minute lag.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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GrilledCheez posted:
What was the clear indication that it was suicide by cop before hand?
i thinka lot of violent people say they aren't afraid to die. I'm not sure that means they won't take others with them, or even that they want to die.
20 minutes from pulling gun to getting shot is pretty clear indication that it is not a columbine situation.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Cawlin posted:
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
Do you believe that the cops would have shot that kid if he'd put the gun down? Yes or no?
More than likely yes.
None of that has ANYTHING EFFING thing to do with anything I have been trying to discuss...
effing moron.
The bold up there has EVERYTHING to do with what you are trying to discuss. You have an irrational bias that the cops went blasting through the doors of the school with the sole intention of ventilating this brown person. You're worse than swirly because he's not even coherent enough to realize he's frothing at the mouth, you know you are but are trying to pretend like you aren't.
No I have a completely rational basis for saying that the cop unnecessarily escalated the situation to the point where deadly force was necessary against a kid.
Eithe rthe cop was poorly trained and shouldn't have been put in that situation, or the cop just wanted to blast a kid. We don't know what the cop WOULD have done - it is speculation for either of us to assume what the cop WOULD have done.
Again none of that has anything to do with what I am trying to discuss. But you are such a fucking brain dead moron you can't even grasp that.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Cawlin posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
You don't know that Cawlin and you refuse to even ask the question.
I know that that was a reasonable and correct assessment of the situation in the moment. In retrospect (I.e in irrelevantspec) it didn't turn out that way, and that's a sad thing, the whole thing is sad, but in the moment that assessment was correct.
Maybe you're thinking of some Denzel Washington or Mel Gibson movie where the hero cop walks up to the dangerous guy and with seemingly no regard for his own safety and perfect confidence that the crazy guy will acquiesce, talks him down and disarms him all nice and neat. If so, those are movies, not real life.
You are still confused, it is sad to watch.
As soon as the cop is in danger the child is in danger. The escalation of threat to the cop and the child are the same.
I am specifically suggesting that the cop doesn't escalate the situation. That the school is trained to respond by isolating the student so that the situation can be controlled by the cops when they arrive. Considering it took 20 minutes and the child had no capacity to hurt anyone it is hard to believe that the cops had no choice but to escalate the situation to the point they did. The idea that immediate action was needed is questionable given the 20 minute lag.
I'm not confused at all. The time is irrelevant as well, it was 20 minutes too long if you ask me, but of course part of that has to do with the barely coherent school administrator who was too busy talking to everyone but the 911 operator when she called, but that's beside the point.
Saying the kid had no capacity to hurt anyone is also absurd. Nobody could have known that. He had already assaulted one student. Nobody was aware his gun was a pellet gun, as far as they were concerned it was real. Do you think classroom doors stop bullets?
The idea that immediate action was needed was not questionable at all, people were in danger and it may have just been a matter of time until the kid gathered his thoughts and decided to go on his rampage. Again, the assumption in the moment HAS TO BE that the gun was real.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
reesescups posted:
More than likely yes.
None of that has ANYTHING EFFING thing to do with anything I have been trying to discuss...
effing moron.
The bold up there has EVERYTHING to do with what you are trying to discuss. You have an irrational bias that the cops went blasting through the doors of the school with the sole intention of ventilating this brown person. You're worse than swirly because he's not even coherent enough to realize he's frothing at the mouth, you know you are but are trying to pretend like you aren't.
No I have a completely rational basis for saying that the cop unnecessarily escalated the situation to the point where deadly force was necessary against a kid.
Eithe rthe cop was poorly trained and shouldn't have been put in that situation, or the cop just wanted to blast a kid. We don't know what the cop WOULD have done - it is speculation for either of us to assume what the cop WOULD have done.
Again none of that has anything to do with what I am trying to discuss. But you are such a fucking brain dead moron you can't even grasp that.
No, you have no rational basis for your assumption. You , swirly, and sin are all on witch hunts trying to vilify these cops and you in particular are trying to pretend like that's not your aim, when it's as plain as the stupid on your face that that's your agenda. GTFO.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Only in an unthinking world does 20 minutes mean nothing in this story.
There are a ton of other factors the police need to consider that are not present in the article. The bottom line though is that other factors need to be considered. The need for this consideration is established in this scenario where a child committed suicide by cop in a school. There is officially a history of children committing suicide by cop at school.
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vn_nnanji Title: Outpost Music Expert
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
20 minutes from pulling gun to getting shot is pretty clear indication that it is not a columbine situation.
So you are saying that since nobody got shot in that 20 minutes the cops should have assumed he wasn't going to shoot anyone? 
Would you bet your life on that?
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