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NuEM  Posts: 1,007
Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
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And you think that changes anything? Sorry to hear you have to be duped into not killing yourself.
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy
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Registered: 2003-8-11 10:01:52
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Koneg posted:
Manegarm posted:
Then you as a constitutional moron should have to pay the expenses of removing your skull from the steering wheel
It's not even about that.
The vast majority of accidents are relatively low speed (~30MPH) "minor" collisions in city traffic. The problem is even a very low speed (~15mph) has enough energy to catapult a drive out of the drivers seat and out from behind the wheel of that car.
If you're going to drive your vehicle you have a responsibility to those around you to stay the hell behind that wheel and retain control of your vehicle when that minor collision occurs - and keep it from becoming a catastrophic collision when your car careens onto the sidewalk 
random outpost libtardian idiot, lets call him paul posted:
Dat is fasiscim, my butthurts!
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy
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Onslaught. posted:
Koneg posted:
Manegarm posted:
Then you as a constitutional moron should have to pay the expenses of removing your skull from the steering wheel
It's not even about that.
The vast majority of accidents are relatively low speed (~30MPH) "minor" collisions in city traffic. The problem is even a very low speed (~15mph) has enough energy to catapult a drive out of the drivers seat and out from behind the wheel of that car.
If you're going to drive your vehicle you have a responsibility to those around you to stay the hell behind that wheel and retain control of your vehicle when that minor collision occurs - and keep it from becoming a catastrophic collision when your car careens onto the sidewalk
This is the only good explanation for necessity of seatbelt laws that I've really ever seen. Cool.
Christ. Someone on the internet may have caused me to change my opinion on something. wtf am I going to do now?
And by the all time douchebag award winner Koneg no less, you're a special kind of idiot aren't you?
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AzureTyger  Title: Awesome
Posts: 462
Registered: 2002-4-1 15:49:04
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Pretty sure the_great_intex was LARPing.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Actually Yuki, on matters such as this, insurance premiums will drive personal behavior change a thousand times faster than safety data and the fear of injury will.
The reason is that people will rationalize the "low" chance of being in an accident, but if they MUST pay more for their insurance, well there's no chance of avoiding that. The obvious trick is to figure out a way to charge people who don't use their seatbelt BEFORE they get into an accident.
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Bonzoboy1  Posts: 885
Registered: 2008-8-1 18:04:29
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I've always wondered this, they require people to wear seat belts and motorcycle helmets for safety and insurance costs but they allow jumping out of functioning airplanes for fun.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Bonzoboy1 posted:
I've always wondered this, they require people to wear seat belts and motorcycle helmets for safety and insurance costs but they allow jumping out of functioning airplanes for fun.
I'd be curious to see the statistics on vehicle accidents per hundred thousand drivers vs. skydiving accidents per hundred thousand skydivers.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Aerlinthian posted:
Yuki, you are aware that every year tens if not hundreds of thousands of people take special driving and safety courses to reduce their insurance, yes? If not you are either ignorant or in denial of the how incentives work. As a matter of fact I just recently took a motorcycle safety course for this reason and in addition what I learned there was very helpful to keeping myself safe.
Those work because people do them to lower their insurance costs. You were proposing a mechanism where people's insurance costs would be raised AFTER an accident where they weren't wearing a seatbelt. For patently obviously reasons that isn't going to get anyone to wear a seatbelt who wouldn't otherwise.
Paul had an idea involving 24/7 monitoring that could allow for insurance discounts for using a seatbelt. The 24/7 monitoring of your car is a bit problematic but that at least has the potential to affect behavior.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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paulg_68 posted:
You literally can't leave your house without endangering other people's safety.
That's a stupid argument. Just because we allow people to do some things that have some marginal level to danger to others in public doesn't mean we should allow people to do anything in public regardless of the danger.
paulg_68 posted:
I believe you should be prepared to pay the consequences if things go badly.
But nobody can. Nobody can bring a dead person back to life. And 99% of the population cannot afford to pay even the economic damages of a bad car accident. A libertarian like you should be against mandated car insurance too - that is a much bigger intrusion on personal liberty than having to buckle up - so your philosophy would leave people driving around who have no possible hope of being able to pay for the damage they cause.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Embrace Life - always wear your seatbalt |
Koneg posted:
Manegarm posted:
Then you as a constitutional moron should have to pay the expenses of removing your skull from the steering wheel
It's not even about that.
The vast majority of accidents are relatively low speed (~30MPH) "minor" collisions in city traffic. The problem is even a very low speed (~15mph) has enough energy to catapult a drive out of the drivers seat and out from behind the wheel of that car.
If you're going to drive your vehicle you have a responsibility to those around you to stay the hell behind that wheel and retain control of your vehicle when that minor collision occurs - and keep it from becoming a catastrophic collision when your car careens onto the sidewalk
No kidding. I thought this was common knowledge but judging from this thread apparently it isn't.
If you want to drive around without a seatbelt on your own private road that's one thing. Doing it in public is another.
If you don't want to take Metaldouche's word for it, ask Crooq. IIRC he works as an EMT and will have personal experience he wishes he didn't with what happens.
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