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paulg_68  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
1) Yuki thinks he's right.
2) Yuki doesn't believe in personal freedom.
3) So long as Yuki has the power to force individuals to do what he says he will because of (1) and (2).

Everything else Yuki says on this subject is subterfuge.

All you need to know about his position are 1, 2, and 3 above.

 

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the_great_intex  4 stars
Title: This is what cool looks like
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Registered: 2002-6-27 08:18:27
I get a fine just because I want to take a risk and didn't conform to the government's unconstiutional regulations

Pretty soon they'll be fining us for not turning off our brights when someone's in front of us

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
I obviously musta pwned you pretty hard some time without remembering it to make you so /affected.

Also, your post has nothing to do with Aer's suggestion being stupid. Punishing people who don't wear seat belts by raising their insurance premiums after an accident is not going to get anyone to wear seatbelts. People who don't wear seatbelts by definition arn't thinking ahead.

P.S. No one believes in personal freedom to interfere with other people's safety. Not even Paulg.
paulg_68  4 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

P.S. No one believes in personal freedom to interfere with other people's safety. Not even Paulg.


You literally can't leave your house without endangering other people's safety.

I believe you should be prepared to pay the consequences if things go badly.

Also, you are ignoring the fact that you could raise people's insurance premiums before an accident. You don't have to wait until after.

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-5-7 23:53:38
Yuki, you are aware that every year tens if not hundreds of thousands of people take special driving and safety courses to reduce their insurance, yes? If not you are either ignorant or in denial of the how incentives work. As a matter of fact I just recently took a motorcycle safety course for this reason and in addition what I learned there was very helpful to keeping myself safe.


Personally, I think you have a vested argument interest in being of denial of how incentives work.
Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
Posts: 894
Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Manegarm posted:

Then you as a constitutional moron should have to pay the expenses of removing your skull from the steering wheel

It's not even about that.


The vast majority of accidents are relatively low speed (~30MPH) "minor" collisions in city traffic. The problem is even a very low speed (~15mph) has enough energy to catapult a drive out of the drivers seat and out from behind the wheel of that car.


If you're going to drive your vehicle you have a responsibility to those around you to stay the hell behind that wheel and retain control of your vehicle when that minor collision occurs - and keep it from becoming a catastrophic collision when your car careens onto the sidewalk

 

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Onslaught.  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-2-13 13:46:37
Koneg posted:

Manegarm posted:

Then you as a constitutional moron should have to pay the expenses of removing your skull from the steering wheel

It's not even about that.

The vast majority of accidents are relatively low speed (~30MPH) "minor" collisions in city traffic. The problem is even a very low speed (~15mph) has enough energy to catapult a drive out of the drivers seat and out from behind the wheel of that car.

If you're going to drive your vehicle you have a responsibility to those around you to stay the hell behind that wheel and retain control of your vehicle when that minor collision occurs - and keep it from becoming a catastrophic collision when your car careens onto the sidewalk



This is the only good explanation for necessity of seatbelt laws that I've really ever seen. Cool.

Christ. Someone on the internet may have caused me to change my opinion on something. wtf am I going to do now?

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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Funny because it's kind of a stupid argument. The sort of accident that catapults you out of the car will have you lose control of your car anyway, seatbelt or not.

But if it makes idiots wear their seatbelt it's not really that bad of an argument I guess.

 

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Crooq_Lionfang  1 star
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Registered: 2003-3-11 11:53:17
Fact is if you hit something and don't wear a seatbelt you basically become a human cannon ball, unless you wear a seatbelt

 

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Onslaught.  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-2-13 13:46:37
NuEM posted:

Funny because it's kind of a stupid argument. The sort of accident that catapults you out of the car will have you lose control of your car anyway, seatbelt or not.

But if it makes idiots wear their seatbelt it's not really that bad of an argument I guess.



Reading fail? He said seat, not out of the car entirely.

 

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