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Vote Early, Vote often, no I.D. required [Locked]
Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters Posts: 1,117 Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Vote Early, Vote often, no I.D. required
Personally, I don't worry about things that have such a small chance of happening. It's no way to live. Who wants to walk around in a panic worrying that they'll get struck by lightning? Or get drowned by a rogue wave?
If someone has voted in my name, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Vote Early, Vote often, no I.D. required
Bonzoboy1 posted: We need a national picture ID.
We really don't.
People just need to go to their DMV and get a non-driver's photo ID if they don't have a driver's license.
If there are legit reasons for why some people can't get to a DMV, then a mobile DMV annex should be set up and should drive around to remote areas like the Bookmobile - carrying all the necessary equipment to create IDs and with the authority to address issues with peoples' actual documents and so forth.
It's not exactly difficult to figure out how to handle it. Again, there's no need for a "national voter ID" - the states are perfectly well set up to handle issuing photo-IDs to all their adult residents. If paying $14 every 9 years is a financial burden for people, then the fees can be waived with simplicity, who gives a siht - I'm willing to pick up the tab for the next 5 people in my town who legitemately can't afford $14 every 9 years.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters Posts: 1,117 Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Vote Early, Vote often, no I.D. required
Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
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Taliesihne posted: Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
The point is that in order to obtain a state issued ID, you have to have legit identification papers. The state has ways to handle things for people who, for whatever reason, never got a birth certificate or whatnot - voter registration personnel don't.
Seriously, you can't be raising a beef about $14/9 years that can also be waived or reduced depending on your financial situation. Why do you dislike having people go to the DMV and using the resources they have to ascertain the truth of a person's identity?
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
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Taliesihne posted: Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
That works too!
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters Posts: 1,117 Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
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Cawlin posted:
Taliesihne posted: Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
The point is that in order to obtain a state issued ID, you have to have legit identification papers. The state has ways to handle things for people who, for whatever reason, never got a birth certificate or whatnot - voter registration personnel don't.
Seriously, you can't be raising a beef about $14/9 years that can also be waived or reduced depending on your financial situation. Why do you dislike having people go to the DMV and using the resources they have to ascertain the truth of a person's identity?
I'm fine with requiring ID provided that it is free. The 24th Amendment does not say 'no polling tax if you can't afford it', it says 'no polling tax'. I don't really care how you do it, but the ID that is required should not cost any citizen a red cent. Increase fees on privileges, reduce pay for the governor, do whatever it is you need to do to offset the costs, but the Id itself has to be free - for everyone. I would also stipulate that ID is the ONLY id that can be used for voting.
Voting is a basic right and should be inclusive, not exclusive. I don't believe in disenfranchisement. So my comment was just an idea of how to make it more inclusive. Why limit it to the Dmv? If a citizen can prove they are who they are, issue the voter id's and registrations on the spot, the day of the election in addition to putting them at the dmv, in the mall, etc, etc.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Vote Early, Vote often, no I.D. required
Taliesihne posted:
Cawlin posted:
Taliesihne posted: Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
The point is that in order to obtain a state issued ID, you have to have legit identification papers. The state has ways to handle things for people who, for whatever reason, never got a birth certificate or whatnot - voter registration personnel don't.
Seriously, you can't be raising a beef about $14/9 years that can also be waived or reduced depending on your financial situation. Why do you dislike having people go to the DMV and using the resources they have to ascertain the truth of a person's identity?
I'm fine with requiring ID provided that it is free. The 24th Amendment does not say 'no polling tax if you can't afford it', it says 'no polling tax'. I don't really care how you do it, but the ID that is required should not cost any citizen a red cent. Increase fees on privileges, reduce pay for the governor, do whatever it is you need to do to offset the costs, but the Id itself has to be free - for everyone. I would also stipulate that ID is the ONLY id that can be used for voting.
Voting is a basic right and should be inclusive, not exclusive. I don't believe in disenfranchisement. So my comment was just an idea of how to make it more inclusive. Why limit it to the Dmv? If a citizen can prove they are who they are, issue the voter id's and registrations on the spot, the day of the election in addition to putting them at the dmv, in the mall, etc, etc.
OK that's fine. However, it's issued only to those who have no other valid state issued photo ID such as a driver's license or passport. It also will be done via the DMV. There's no need to create a whole other agency to handle this, and for the tiny number of people who for whatever reason can't get to a DMV, I'd support funding for busing them to one, or for having a "mobile DMV" office come to their town - probably cheaper to bus them rather than bring mobile DMV annexes to them.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters Posts: 1,117 Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Vote Early, Vote often, no I.D. required
So you're fine with it as long as you can institute a polling tax at the polls
Birth certificate, piece of mail, social security card is all that should ever be needed to get a voter registration card\id anywhere.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Vote Early, Vote often, no I.D. required
Taliesihne posted: So you're fine with it as long as you can institute a polling tax at the polls
Why am I implementing a polling tax?
I'm trying to establish a way to make sure people have legitimate IDs. Their driver's license could be used for this, so could their passport. lacking these or any other legit, state issued photo, ID they could get one for free.
This isn't rocket science dude - there's no gotcha, and there's no poll tax. In truth, the fact is that it's ALL a poll tax because the nation already pays for it in the form of the other taxes used to administer the DMV. Of course the Dem base is not only too fkn lazy to go get an ID but also need to freeload some more... that's fine, but they're going to have to drag their own lazy asses out to the polls to actually vote
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