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Taliesihne  4 stars
Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
Posts: 1,117
Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
With all the talk about government agencies getting cut, why is this never mentioned?

It's been the biggest expansion of government since FDR and is a complete waste of money.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
I like it in concept, but am unsure how it plays out in reality. Kinda crap that agencies don't share information with each other when they're playing for the same team.

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
What would you cut?

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
Posts: 1,117
Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Me?

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
Yes.

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
Suspending reality, if I had absolute authority to change things:

The TSA would be funded privately by the airlines.

The actual DHS is gone. Any major responsibilities they have can be given to the FBI counter-terrorism depts.

The DNI is gone as well. That was political retribution against the CIA anyway. Was never necessary. The information aggregation parts of the DNI would become a dept in the CIA.

The pentagon's operating budget I would take an axe too. I'd really trim the fat on the amenities that high ranking paper pushers get.

PMC would be reduced by 75% across the board. Military recruitment would skyrocket to fill the gap.

Wholesale reductions in IRS staff after simplification of the tax code (I actually like the idea of a flat tax.)

No more corporate welfare.

Cost plus would be gone from about 90% of govt contracts. Government contractors can now either get paid for their work\labor or maintain the IP on development they were tasked to do - not both.

The Labor Department and Department of Labor would be collapsed into a single entity.

20% reduction in presidential, cabinet, and congressional pay. If I really had my druthers, I'd tie Senatorial pay to the median income of their state.

Massive reductions in troops and bases abroad.

I could come up with more if I thought on it some, but there are some ideas.

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
The reason DHS came about is a real and valid reason, albeit the incompetence of our CIA, FBI, and NSA to play nice together.
They literally were not helping each other even remotely as much as they could/should have been.

DHS/patriot act added alot of nonsense in general, but going back to pre-DHS is not an option and neither side will go there.
If you get rid of DHS you must rework the mandates and framework of our other intel orgs first.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
Posts: 1,266
Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
Why would you want to reburden the already-failing airliners with cumbersome security costs? Assuming the fed would set the security standards, it seems a bit much to put on the airliners.

 

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imaloon1  3 stars
Posts: 674
Registered: 2003-9-15 07:19:53
Taliesihne posted:

Suspending reality, if I had absolute authority to change things:

The TSA would be funded privately by the airlines.

The actual DHS is gone. Any major responsibilities they have can be given to the FBI counter-terrorism depts.

The DNI is gone as well. That was political retribution against the CIA anyway. Was never necessary. The information aggregation parts of the DNI would become a dept in the CIA.

The pentagon's operating budget I would take an axe too. I'd really trim the fat on the amenities that high ranking paper pushers get.

PMC would be reduced by 75% across the board. Military recruitment would skyrocket to fill the gap.

Wholesale reductions in IRS staff after simplification of the tax code (I actually like the idea of a flat tax.)

No more corporate welfare.


You might think about electing Dr. Paul then.


What you are suggesting is exactly what he'd like to do. Well I think he'd eliminate the IRS as a whole but otherwise I think you're pretty close.

Cost plus would be gone from about 90% of govt contracts. Government contractors can now either get paid for their work\labor or maintain the IP on development they were tasked to do - not both.

The Labor Department and Department of Labor would be collapsed into a single entity.

20% reduction in presidential, cabinet, and congressional pay. If I really had my druthers, I'd tie Senatorial pay to the median income of their state.

Massive reductions in troops and bases abroad.

I could come up with more if I thought on it some, but there are some ideas.

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
Most of what you listed seems like shifts of responsibilities which seem rather arbitrary.


I don't get your IP argument.


An easier tax is possible but most flat tax ideas are just bad.


The idea that Congressional pay is a problem is just stupid. There are probably too many of them but one of the major problems we have is a lack of talent in the legislature.


I don't see much about DHS in your post Tali.

 

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