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reesescups  Title: //Captain America
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Yeah... I'm too dumb to be having this conversation...
We know...
But usually watching you stumble all over yourself is the entertaining part, which is why we sometimes put up with the pain of having a conversation with you...
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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Are you still equating the Decleration of Indpendence to Individualism?
As long as you are you are a confused idiot.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Not at all, I was equating it with the mating ethics of Ants...
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Groucho48  Posts: 821
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Marx had a John Donne-ish vision of individuality. No man is an island. That individuality is best given scope in a community where the individual respects and is part of the community and the community respects and is a part of the individual. There are problems with this, of course. But there are also problems with the Ayn Rand concept that everyone IS an island.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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I am sorry but the position that Marx doesn't like the Decleration because he disagreed with Hegel is comically stupid.
Like I said the basis of Marx is Democracy and the fear of the few dominating the many.
Obviously if this is the prediction then we must weigh the freedom of those in power with those without it. The basis of freedom has two major components, power in government and power in the economy. This is why he is obsessed with Democracy and the ownership of the means of production.
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I think it is easy at first glance to say Marx was against individualism, however Marx believed that communal equality constituted the necessary precursor for the flourishing of free individuals. He repeatedly championed individual self-realization and should be the standard against which social relations should be judged.
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__Bonk__  Posts: 5,122
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Marx was looking to correct the ills of unregulated predatory capitalism at the time. Those ills for the most part were fixed without his radical fail solutions
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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__Bonk__ posted:
Marx was looking to correct the ills of unregulated predatory capitalism at the time. Those ills for the most part were fixed without his radical fail solutions
Not quite true. They were for the most part fixed BECAUSE the alternative was revolution.
Marx's biggest failing in terms of his historical predictions was failing to predict that the capitalist class was smart enough to give bread and circuses to the working class to avoid revolution.
Don't kid yourself. If we hadn't had the progressive revolution of the late 19th and early 20th centuries there WOULD have been real revolutions in most if not all the developed, industrialized countries of the world.
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