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Modeeb  Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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Registered: 2002-4-19 10:48:36
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Szerek posted:
Ok, so what am I?
I'm anti-abortion, but I think it should be legal. I personally don't think abortions should happen, but it is also not my place to tell someone else what they can or can't do with an unborn fetus.
I believe that we should all pay an equal percentage of taxes, however, in order to get there our current system needs a serious overhaul. The wealth gap needs to be closed to levels it was in years gone by. In todays world, a person can go to school on taxpayer dollars and then become wealthy adding nothing of value and siphoning off of those who do add value.
I believe everyone has the right to life and the right to life includes the right to medical care. Not this profiteering abomination of a medical system we have now where everyone will be required to BUY medical insurance at inflated prices to line shareholder pockets and if you can't afford it, oh well, just go die quietly so you don't intrude upon the rest of us.
I am also pro-business but severely anti-corporation. Large multinational corporations should be extremely regulated.
I also believe that all public utilities should be public, or if private, they should be truly non-profit with very strict regulations on salaries. I saw here in PA what happened when we deregulated the power industry. We had sunshine pumped up our asses about how much our bills would go down once competition was introduce. My rates went up by 30% Corporate personhood needs to die.
I will stop there. Neither party appeals to me, though in recent years my views have shifted to lean more liberal, but even the "liberals" in politics only pay lip service to us unwashed masses. I believe we live in a system these days that is bigger than us. Something we really can't stop or change with anything short of another American Revolution.
You sound mostly liberal to me.
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Friarspam  Posts: 638
Registered: 2007-1-23 07:01:27
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Here's Mo's point, in a nutshell:
Liberals know best. Everyone else is a caveman and barely able to wipe their own ass, let alone make their own choices.
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Moe_Nox Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
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Timothy Geithner and Obama, John Kerry with the billion dollar Heinz money, Pelosi greasing deals for her husband's company.
This is all business as usual for the left.
The right is shamelessly greedy. The left are greedy hypocritical liars.
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Modeeb Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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You are close Friar. However, I would add: if you dont want to wipe your own ass I dont care. 
We need a revolution to change things. When you guys get ready, let me know. I am in.
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Date Posted:
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Modeeb posted:
Wall street is , indeed, in bed with liberals. Just look at timothy Geithner. But, these backroom dealings are not very liberal or progressive. They are status quo centrist tendencies. If this is your argument, then I agree with you. However, the conservatives celebrate greed like its a gottdam virtue. This is a call between two shitty choices.
No, the difference is that [real] conservatives are honest that people are inherently greedy. If you are dishonest about greed then what you are doing is denying that that all forms of welfare/subsidizes are equal in being utterly repugnant. You're effectively saying that: "my welfare is better than your welfare!" when the truth is that all forms of it will ultimately break a society. Because as we have seen countless times over human history is that it is incredibly easy to bait/buy people with unearned money/goods/etc.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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My problem with Independents has nothing to do with my own ties to one party.
It has everything to do with Independents not getting off their asses and starting that third party they are always blathering about.
But hey, it's easier to just keep saying 'you guys aren't doing it right' then to actually show us what 'right' looks like.
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Eradiani Title: Moderator/ EvEVault Staff
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Registered: 2002-5-3 02:18:49
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just think about how other countries do it, with multiple parties and whichever party is the most popular gets to elect their president.
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Modeeb Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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So, I'm done here. 
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Szerek  Posts: 338
Registered: 2000-8-8 09:26:09
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Taliesihne posted:
My problem with Independents has nothing to do with my own ties to one party.
It has everything to do with Independents not getting off their asses and starting that third party they are always blathering about.
But hey, it's easier to just keep saying 'you guys aren't doing it right' then to actually show us what 'right' looks like.
Someone may not have informed you that the system is designed to keep 3rd parties OUT of the system.
http://www.paballotaccess.org/
Website posted:
In 2006, independent and minor party candidates were required to collect over 67,000 valid signatures simply to get on the state-wide ballot in Pennsylvania on Election Day. Legally, Democratic and Republican candidates require no signatures to get on the state-wide ballot, and even the 2,000 signatures required for the Primary Day ballot are ridiculously smaller than the virtually impossible hurdle of 67,000.
Pennsylvania law needs to be changed by the State Legislature to lower the outrageous signature requirements. State Senator Mike Folmer has introduced the Voters' Choice Act which would bring about a fairer electoral process.
As soon as someone in PA tries to get on the ballot they end tied up in court having every signature questioned. So how long would it take me to get 67,000 signatures that an (R) or (D) judge won't throw out in court?
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Taliesihne posted:
My problem with Independents has nothing to do with my own ties to one party.
It has everything to do with Independents not getting off their asses and starting that third party they are always blathering about.
But hey, it's easier to just keep saying 'you guys aren't doing it right' then to actually show us what 'right' looks like.
Starting a third party is pointless when it won't be given the same treatment the other two parties get.
Our system is heavily stacked against new parties, and really the term third party just shows how entrenched partisan thought is in this country.
There are a lot of parties in this country. You never hear about them because most of them never make it onto the ballet in enough places to get any recognition.
If the system was a lot more open for who could get on the ballet, and was a lot less dependent on private financing for publicity there would be a lot more variety.
The American system is outdated.
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