That's a lot of words to say nothing.

Why did you let Tych draw you in in the first place? Here's an idea (again) : don't reply unless you actually have something to say. Which means your post count should drop dramatically. HTH

 

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Maybe I'm reading wrong, but it seems as though "moderate" and "independent" are being used interchangeably, but for me they are two vastly different stances.

 

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There are a couple of core issues and that's it. Abortionro-liberal; con-conservative. Tax wealthy individuals -pro liberal; con conservative. Spend money on infrastructure, pro liberal, con-conservative. Energy, green -liberal ; pollute con. Now when you get down to issues about how much border fence we are going to build, just say: How important is this really-especially compared to how you treat seniors on medicare.. You are going to have a liberal-progressive bent or a backwards- regressive position. You know where you stand. It doesnt make a difference if you are for war or not. those who own the politicians will get a war if they want one. This stuff isn't rocket science, just make your mark.

Here is one rule of thumb: if you are poor or middle class and vote a strait conservative agenda, then you are a wrongheaded pawn, a serf in the fields fighting for m'corporate lord.

 

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How does that bile taste when you are forced to defend your side even when deep down in your heart you know they are wrong?

Do you like what you see when you look in the mirror when your side is wrong and instead of defending them you keep silent, hide and hopefully go unnoticed?

 

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I dont think you are talking to me, but here is a response. If we could get a more liberal president in office, I would impeach-shitcan Obama in a heartbeat. He is miserably too far to the right. Since we cant do that, I'm sure as hell not going to put the stoonads in charge that stepped on our oolies in the first place. We are talking executive branch. They can take congress, all of it , and flush it down the Potomac. Conservatives are philosophically too backwards for my worldview. I want stem cell research. I want mass transit. i want national healthcare. I dont want to subsidize large corporations (futz the banks, pharmaceuticals, big oil etc). I dont want to help the wealthy get wealthier.

 

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Wall Street is utterly dominated by progressives / corporatists. You are either unaware of that fact or in denial of it. Bought and Paid For by Charles Gasparino.

Here you can hear him here for himself explaining the Wall Street dynamic and the players.

If you just want to remain in denial and not bother to check either of those links, I'll explain the dynamic in a condensed version. Big government policies make Wall Street billions of dollars. The lust for the nearly endless trough of money is what brings those people to D.C.. By supporting progressive interests, you support corporatism whether you realize it or not.

More on that.

Ok, so what am I?

I'm anti-abortion, but I think it should be legal. I personally don't think abortions should happen, but it is also not my place to tell someone else what they can or can't do with an unborn fetus.

I believe that we should all pay an equal percentage of taxes, however, in order to get there our current system needs a serious overhaul. The wealth gap needs to be closed to levels it was in years gone by. In todays world, a person can go to school on taxpayer dollars and then become wealthy adding nothing of value and siphoning off of those who do add value.

I believe everyone has the right to life and the right to life includes the right to medical care. Not this profiteering abomination of a medical system we have now where everyone will be required to BUY medical insurance at inflated prices to line shareholder pockets and if you can't afford it, oh well, just go die quietly so you don't intrude upon the rest of us.

I am also pro-business but severely anti-corporation. Large multinational corporations should be extremely regulated.

I also believe that all public utilities should be public, or if private, they should be truly non-profit with very strict regulations on salaries. I saw here in PA what happened when we deregulated the power industry. We had sunshine pumped up our asses about how much our bills would go down once competition was introduce. My rates went up by 30% Corporate personhood needs to die.

I will stop there. Neither party appeals to me, though in recent years my views have shifted to lean more liberal, but even the "liberals" in politics only pay lip service to us unwashed masses. I believe we live in a system these days that is bigger than us. Something we really can't stop or change with anything short of another American Revolution.

 

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Who did you think I was talking to? I read your post but you weren't responding to me. I asked two questions. Both you've been guilty of.

 

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Modeeb has identified the symptom, but I don't think he's right about the problem.

The reason there are so many independents isn't because they can't decide. They know what they want they just don't see it.

Do you think they should just settle for the choices they have and pick a side? Are there other aspects of life you would give this advice for?

Our system doesn't present enough choices.

If there were more than 2 major parties there would be a lot less independents.

Wall street is , indeed, in bed with liberals. Just look at timothy Geithner. But, these backroom dealings are not very liberal or progressive. They are status quo centrist tendencies. If this is your argument, then I agree with you. However, the conservatives celebrate greed like its a gottdam virtue. This is a call between two shitty choices.

The how does your bile taste question is a poorly formed question. It assumes a conclusion in its premises. What if there is no bile?

 

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