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The cops should be able to search your house if they will find illegal stuff. [Locked] |
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The cops should be able to search your house if they will find illegal stuff. |
so since you no longer wish the right of privacy, we will all be over to your house to paw through your things, eat your cookies, break you empty bottles and throw trash all over your house, break a few holes in your walls since im sure youve got a secret hidey hole there somewhere....
in fact, just leave your door unlocked since you never know when one of us, or the cops, might drop by and go through your junk.
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Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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GrilledCheez posted:
If you have committed a crime then the right to avoid search has already been compromised. now it's just about whether the police have the evidence, but either way you deserve to be searched and arrested. The idea that american criminals don't deserve to be caught because of the constitution is monumentally retarded. Why would anyone feel that way?
I don't think it's about deserving.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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NuEM posted:
I don't understand this. If they already know they will find illegal stuff they should have the right to look and find out if there's illegal stuff? 
wat?
No. I am saying if the cops searched your house and found illegal stuff, then your house deserved to be searched. Whether the cops had the right to search beforehand is obviously different. But what people are retarded about is that piece.
You will hear people say that a guy didn't deserve to get caught or go to jail because the cops shouldn't have searched his house. That line of reasoning is illogical. We have the laws we do about searches and even let some criminals go, not because they didn't deserve to be caught or searched, but because we can't reward the cops for doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. Otherwise they will just always do the wrong things and hope the ends justify the means.
but letting the guilty go on an illegal search is not about their guilt obviously. They didn't deserve to be let go. They deserved to be found guilty. And they didn't deserve to not have their house searched. They deserved to have their house searched. That's why the title says what it says.
In a perfect world cops would be able to search your house as soon as you have done something illegal that they will find evidence of, and cops should never be able to search your house otherwise. the idea that it's a cagey chess match between criminals and the police and those that don't make a mistake shouldn't be caught is tardy.
Yukishiro1 posted:
I don't think it's about deserving.
agreed. but many people think it is.
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The cops should be able to search your house if they will find illegal stuff. |
letting them go on a technicality over not having a search warrant is what prevents the cops from kicking in your door and rummaging through your junk.
if the courts just let it slide because, well, he was guilt of something, then they have just overthrown the need for a search warrant, ever.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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GrilledCheez posted:
but letting the guilty go on an illegal search is not about their guilt obviously. They didn't deserve to be let go. They deserved to be found guilty. And they didn't deserve to not have their house searched. They deserved to have their house searched. That's why the title says what it says.
In a perfect world cops would be able to search your house as soon as you have done something illegal that they will find evidence of, and cops should never be able to search your house otherwise. the idea that it's a cagey chess match between criminals and the police and those that don't make a mistake shouldn't be caught is tardy.
The basic idea of giving criminals a "sporting chance" goes back a long way in the Anglo-American legal system and popular culture as a whole. People have been railing against it since Bentham, so that gives you some idea.
I agree it is stupid but it's pretty deeply ingrained.
edit: So basically some fat guy 300 years ago beat you to this post, GC.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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sweeny_comodore posted:
letting them go on a technicality over not having a search warrant is what prevents the cops from kicking in your door and rummaging through your junk.
if the courts just let it slide because, well, he was guilt of something, then they have just overthrown the need for a search warrant, ever.
correct.
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Date Posted:
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saying its ok that they illegally searched criminals place since they found stuff is the same as saying they should be allowed to search anyones house they want at any time because they might find stuff.
might as well just leave your doors unlocked and post a welcome sign.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Yukishiro1 posted:
GrilledCheez posted:
but letting the guilty go on an illegal search is not about their guilt obviously. They didn't deserve to be let go. They deserved to be found guilty. And they didn't deserve to not have their house searched. They deserved to have their house searched. That's why the title says what it says.
In a perfect world cops would be able to search your house as soon as you have done something illegal that they will find evidence of, and cops should never be able to search your house otherwise. the idea that it's a cagey chess match between criminals and the police and those that don't make a mistake shouldn't be caught is tardy.
The basic idea of giving criminals a "sporting chance" goes back a long way in the Anglo-American legal system.
I agree it is stupid but it's pretty deeply ingrained.
it's just another example of general stupidity. I am trying to combat this with sexiness and pointing out stupidity. So far the sexiness has completely turned around a couple people. Jury is still out on the pointing.
the thing that most aggravates me in real life is DUI hate from my buddies. "That cop shouldn't even have pulled him over." is pretty much a one hundred percent defense in their minds. The fact that he actually he was driving drunk is tangential at best.
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NuEM Posts: 1,007
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I still don't get your point. The police should randomly search houses and the ones where they find something deserved to be searched?
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Sgian_Dubh  Posts: 446
Registered: 2003-4-7 10:19:52
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NuEM posted:
I still don't get your point. The police should randomly search houses and the ones where they find something deserved to be searched?
That's the gist of it.
Basically, everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise.
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