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Sea_of_inK  2 stars
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Registered: 2004-10-18 12:57:37
Mag-Galahad posted:

They can. Its called obtaining a warrant.



thread should've ended at post 2.

 

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Orwyn_Blackheart  2 stars
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Registered: 2006-7-26 09:00:53
GrilledCheez posted:

If you have committed a crime then the right to avoid search has already been compromised. now it's just about whether the police have the evidence, but either way you deserve to be searched and arrested. The idea that american criminals don't deserve to be caught because of the constitution is monumentally retarded. Why would anyone feel that way?



you are punching beyond your IQ 'weight'


please shut up
RHWarrior  3 stars
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The law is meant to protect non-criminals. FYI.

 

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Eager_Igraine  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-11-21 11:55:52
GrilledCheez posted:

False. I have heard people bemoan the cops searching houses and catching criminals because the cops shouldn't have been able to search. You make the argument that they are making then. I made the only one that seemed reasonable to me.



So you are simply making a moral judgement that people who do illegal things deserve to be caught? Ok.

 

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GrilledCheez  4 stars
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
Eager_Igraine posted:

GrilledCheez posted:

False. I have heard people bemoan the cops searching houses and catching criminals because the cops shouldn't have been able to search. You make the argument that they are making then. I made the only one that seemed reasonable to me.



So you are simply making a moral judgement that people who do illegal things deserve to be caught? Ok.



no. your complaint was that I gae voice to an argument from the other side that you thought was a strawman. I should have known you would puss out when I asked you to correct my argument then.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
GC posted:

the thing that most aggravates me in real life is DUI hate from my buddies. "That cop shouldn't even have pulled him over." is pretty much a one hundred percent defense in their minds. The fact that he actually he was driving drunk is tangential at best.



I think theres a contradiction here in your theory and the actual practice. I just found out a friend was busted for driving with a .03 BAC which is well within legal limits. He was acquitted, the charges thrown out, but a website now has his name and is insinuating that he drove drunk. This does not sound like the innocent are being protected. It sounds like people with your mindset getting overzealous in their pursuit of "justice" and throw innocents under the bus.

 

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GrilledCheez  4 stars
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

GC posted:

the thing that most aggravates me in real life is DUI hate from my buddies. "That cop shouldn't even have pulled him over." is pretty much a one hundred percent defense in their minds. The fact that he actually he was driving drunk is tangential at best.



I think theres a contradiction here in your theory and the actual practice. I just found out a friend was busted for driving with a .03 BAC which is well within legal limits. He was acquitted, the charges thrown out, but a website now has his name and is insinuating that he drove drunk. This does not sound like the innocent are being protected. It sounds like people with your mindset getting overzealous in their pursuit of "justice" and throw innocents under the bus.



That's a different issue. There is really nothing you can do about something like that, because they aren't an gov't entity. On the plus side though if they keep it up they will lose most of their reputation.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
You could keep the names sealed until conviction. You could not charge someone under the limit in the first place.

Hell, you could not automatically assume the person is drunk and treat them like a criminal when they haven't done anything wrong.


Edit: and how many people have to have their reputations ruined before the organization ruins theirs?

That's kind of like saying, well, we don't have enough evidence to catch the serial kiler, but the good news is he could kill again and again until eventually he slips up and we get him.

 

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GrilledCheez  4 stars
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
how people respond to due process that results in a not guilty conclusion is really a flaw of those people.

 

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imaloon1  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-9-15 07:19:53
GrilledCheez posted:

the_great_intex posted:

Laws against having "illegal stuff" shouldn't exist anyways. A criminal, to me, is someone who commits an act that hurts or impacts someone else.



If you have child porn your collection has hurt others. I find your simplistic world view frightening.



You just can't read right.


His simplistic world view takes that directly into consideration.

 

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