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Hypothetical: Is it stealing to take what is rightfully yours? [Locked] |
Tych2  Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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paulg_68 posted:
No I wouldn't take it. If I did, it would not be stealing.
I'm not sure why people imagine the ambiguity of the loan only works in favor of your friend. There's no reason it can't work in your favor as well.
Don't you ever watch Judge Judy? Yes it is stealing. Ask one of our many lawyers here.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Ashmaele posted:
Tych2 posted:
Yes that is stealing. It's not yours until he hands it to you. You loaned him the money and agreed with the ambiguous pay you back whenever terms.
What if he had given you a specific time that he would pay you back, such as, "I will pay you back tomorrow after I have had a chance to run by an ATM." Does your answer change?
My answer doesn't change.
I would consider $50 a fairly inexpensive lesson in such a case, about the trustworthiness of the person involved.
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Ashmaele posted:
Tych2 posted:
Yes that is stealing. It's not yours until he hands it to you. You loaned him the money and agreed with the ambiguous pay you back whenever terms.
What if he had given you a specific time that he would pay you back, such as, "I will pay you back tomorrow after I have had a chance to run by an ATM." Does your answer change?
He would be in default of your agreement and you'd be within your rights to take him to small claims and you would win. It wouldn't change my answer. You cannot take the money from his wallet. That is stealing no matter how you cut it.
Sucks but words I give both my kids and my niece. Never loan money you aren't willing to lose.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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Cawlin posted:
Fair point, but I would argue morally that it's still theft
Taking the money is merely calling in the loan.
Just because the terms of the loan have not been made explicit doesn't mean that each party didn't have something in mind. If you took the money back, it's because you considered that to be within the terms of the loan in your mind. Personally, I think the default terms of such a loan are that the loan is due as soon as your friend has the money. He had the money. If anything, his failure to pay voluntarily makes him a thief.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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paulg_68 posted:
Cawlin posted:
Fair point, but I would argue morally that it's still theft
Taking the money is merely calling in the loan.
Just because the terms of the loan have not been made explicit doesn't mean that each party didn't have something in mind. If you took the money back, it's because you considered that to be within the terms of the loan in your mind. Personally, I think the default terms of such a loan are that the loan is due as soon as your friend has the money. He had the money. If anything, his failure to pay voluntarily makes him a thief.
No. You gave Sam the money willingly.
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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 Jesus Christ Paul the mental hoops you jump through is astounding.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
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Ashmaele posted:
No. You gave Sam the money willingly.
So what? If I write you a bad check and you willingly give me cash does that mean I'm not a thief because you gave it to me voluntarily?
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Elocism posted:
no
yes
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Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
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Tych2 posted:
Jesus Christ Paul the mental hoops you jump through is astounding.
Paul posted:
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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1) No.
2) Yes.
Also, just because he has $200 in cash doesn't mean it's disposable income. I'm not defending him (and don't know all the facts), I'm just noting that the cash could have been there to pay a bill.
Imo, I'd freeze him out of the poker game until the debt is repaid. Kinda BS to me that he's had a 'run of bad luck' but can still afford to show up at Poker games and nights on the town.
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