Right so who cares? I think that was exactly Yuki's point.

I have no problem with racial quotas though. There was probably more than one asian that didn't get in. Maybe more than one hundred. They can blame race all they want. At the end of the day some asians got in, but they didn't. Maybe they should look at that instead of cry about race.

 

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Well that wasn't my argument but I think your reaction against it is pretty telling. If the students are qualified isn't that what's important?


Do you always hire the "most qualified" worker as demonstrated by some objective test score? I really doubt it.


A lot of you people with racial angst get upset about the most pointless things. If some black kid with a 1450 SAT got in and some white kid with a 1500 SAT didn't that is hardly the end of the world and it hardly shows much of anything. You get so obsessed about vague gradiations of who's "more" qualified and miss the bigger picture. Collegse admit students they think will make good students. A lot of things go into that, including family background. I wish we lived in a world where race was irrelevant but we don't. And nobody but idiots like you think people are actually better off being black in our country.

But if no one cares, you should just default to going by merit (i.e GPAs, test scores, and probably extracurriculars). The blacks that can get into Harvard and pay for it are not victims of anything except their own whining. Usually the difference between "Asians" that got in and "Asians" that didn't is something completely arbitrary.

 

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The thing is even matching for essays, extracurriculars, etc the investigators found a consistent bias against Asian applicants. The scope of the argument extends beyond AA for applicants, non-Asians are more likely to default on student loans and effectively pass the costs on to people who are least likely to (Asians), generally speaking.

But the most prominent issue is that "Asians" are, according to social engineers, "paying" for the sins of white people with their spots. It'd make far more sense to exempt Asians completely and just throw out white applications for the poor rich blacks and Hispanics at Harvard or Princeton.

The thing is AA (for schools at least) doesn't actually seem to benefit anyone. People who can't take the workload default to easier majors or drop out entirely, and the "underrepresented minorities" that get in on merit alone have no problem paying off their debts and getting good grades.

The whole point is to exclude competition and preserve the racial character of the Ivys for the sake of white students and alums.

 

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That statement makes zero sense.

 

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When you think marginalized, does a well-off black kid whose parents earn >$150,000 come to mind? Or a poor white that was maybe abused by alcoholic parents, or Southeast Asian boat people? Blacks are favored and coddled across the board by white liberals, even when they're successful. The types that are in Harvard and can afford tuition are rarely the down and out ghetto survivors people want to believe they are.

 

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hahahaha. It is so funny to see people like you make arguments like this, because they are self defeating. Yes kids like that don't need favors. Kids not like that may need advantages. If only there was a good way to target a large percentage of kids like that, and also target specific cultural centers in america that may be disadvantaged and try to help them help themselves, particularly if that culture grew out of situations caused by systemic historic racism and discrimination... oh wait.

 

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I don't think the race card is going to work with me, GC. I'm all in favor of investing in impoverished hellholes across America regardless off race to bring them up to standard in terms of academic achievement (or at least try). This would be far more costly than affirmative action but IMO they'd yield better returns.

K-12 is not working well for a large number of students and handing admissions to underqualified and unprepared individuals is not the way to solve a deeply entrenched problem, especially when its at the expense of a group of people who did well in spite of all challenges.

 

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hahaha talking about race in an AA thread is playing the race card now? I have considered that a weaksauce retort before, but never as much as now.

 

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It applies. You're implying that "Asians" didn't face "historic racism and discrimination". We can toss that one out the window and get back to the beginning, there's no reason why "Asians" should pay for the sins of whites, or the good grades of other "Asians".

Please explain to me what kind of "historic racism and discrimination" Asians subjected whites to.

 

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