Setting up a measurement system is problematic. It is a wild leap to assume that your measurement system is the perfect way to select people who will be the best fit.


If you accept that the test you devised, while the best you can come up, is not a perfect way to find the best applicants....you open yourself up to adjustments. The job of firefighting is pretty different than the tests they run you through. College isnt like the SAT's.


If a test is devised and the result is white people dominating...why do you assume that the test must be perfect?

Affirmative Action is just as repugnant, anti-American, anti liberty and racist as the Jim Crow south was.

If you want to build a road through a mountainous area, using some dynamite isn't a bad idea... at the start of the project. If 40 years later you're still using dynamite and scratching your head wondering why the road isn't finished, it's not hard to figure out that you should have switched to a different tool a long time ago.

 

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Basically none of that happens and you're living in a fantasy land if you think tons of white people are suffering because of AA. Your post is basically proof that AA in some form is still needed.

The people who created the civil right act said there were no quotas or "affirmative action" in it. One said he would eat the bill if a someone could find a single phrase that allowed quotas. Somehow the courts found it anyway.

It is time to end it? Heck, there was never a time it should have been applied. It is a help for someone never hurt; and punishment to someone who never hurt anyone. It has done more to create racial hate than any single problem that ever existed.

 

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Quotas are illegal under the constitution and always have been.


Ignorance does not create truth.

So what do you call it when a private construction firm bidding on a government contract must provide proof that they do AT LEAST X amount of their subcontract business with "women or minority owned" businesses for the project?

 

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Well not always


Sorry I just couldn't resist.

 

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Kamdar was talking about admissions tests and that sort of thing. Not contracting rights.


P.S. The constitutionality of those is still pretty up in the air. The DC circuit just struck down one of those schemes. In general they are only ok when you can point to extremely persuasive evidence of discrimination that needs to be remedied via legislation.

Yeah I understand that I sort of spun the argument off. Presently there are private "watchdog" groups that make a stink over affirmative action stuff and make a public relations nightmare for organizations (schools, companies, etc.) not up to par with their "diversity" issues but unless there is a history of discrimination, I wasn't aware that such diversity requirements were the purview of the government - EXCEPT in those contract situations...

My brother in law is a project manager for a big construction firm and sang the blues to me about all that stuff not too long ago - that they had to pay double and triple price for some things just to get their women/minority owned percentage of business quota up to par for the contract. It may well have been a New Jersey STATE issue rather than a federal issue with him too. In NJ, apparently the women/minority owned businesses have learned that they can take advantage of the quotas and gouge pretty hard - according to my B.I.L. anyway.

 

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