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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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We have parents in this country. And DCF. And foster care. And jails.

This immediate problem is already solved.

Now we have the additional problem to solve, to get the rate of occurrence down:

The additional problem that needs to be solved is, indentured servitude for idiots who have kids, and are then SO incompetent they can't even use the myriad aid programs in place to care for them ON SOMEONE ELSE'S DIME.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Sin_of_Onin posted:

So the trouble with big government is that when they screw up people get pissed off and can address the issue?

Government has a lot of problems and there is no doubt they screwed up this one but this is hardly a big issue that can't be addressed relatively easily.



No.

The trouble with big government is that you need people to run all their absurdly intrusive programs and ironically enough, those people usually are in actuality, as or more untrustworthy as they assume the people they oversee are.

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Cawlin posted:

No.


The trouble with big government is that you need people to run all their absurdly intrusive programs and ironically enough, those people usually are in actuality, as or more untrustworthy as they assume the people they oversee are.



The key to any system is accountability. These types of jobs are very public. The fact that we are talking about it is good evidence of that.


Most of government is hidden which is really where the problems are. Not on these nothing issues.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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Just keep piling on the layers.

Pretty soon, the whole country will be Detroit.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Sin_of_Onin posted:

Cawlin posted:

No.

The trouble with big government is that you need people to run all their absurdly intrusive programs and ironically enough, those people usually are in actuality, as or more untrustworthy as they assume the people they oversee are.



The key to any system is accountability. These types of jobs are very public. The fact that we are talking about it is good evidence of that.

Most of government is hidden which is really where the problems are. Not on these nothing issues.



Most of government (in terms of dollars spent) is hidden, certainly. However, the trend is for bigger, more intrusive government and by virtue of that, more programs overseen by asstards like this USDA inspector in the article.

Discourse is good because it gives people a chance to really see what happens when they let government programs like this intrude into these intimate details of their lives. People can see the ineptitude and incompetence that is inevitable and reach the logical conclusion that such programs as this are absurd, abusive, intrusive, intolerable, and utterly unacceptable.

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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government is an institution of force. As long as there are people with no tolerance that want other people to live their lives a certain way, then there will always be room for growth for government

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
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This sounds less like big government intervention and more like small town corruption.
Whichever food distributor supplies those lunches has Children's services/protective service people on the take that are increasing their sales.
That packed lunch was healthy and alot healthier than chicken nuggets.

The school is lucky the kid didn't have some rare allergy to chicken and have a reaction.
Its just another example of the system thinking they know your kid better than you, and overstepping their bounds with broad brush strokes.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Moe_Nox posted:

This sounds less like big government intervention and more like small town corruption.
Whichever food distributor supplies those lunches has Children's services/protective service people on the take that are increasing their sales.
That packed lunch was healthy and alot healthier than chicken nuggets.

The school is lucky the kid didn't have some rare allergy to chicken and have a reaction.
Its just another example of the system thinking they know your kid better than you, and overstepping their bounds with broad brush strokes.



The bold is the primary point, from which all other points follow - such as your suspicion about kickbacks and/or subsidies and whatever else.

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Cawlin posted:

Most of government (in terms of dollars spent) is hidden, certainly. However, the trend is for bigger, more intrusive government and by virtue of that, more programs overseen by asstards like this USDA inspector in the article.


Discourse is good because it gives people a chance to really see what happens when they let government programs like this intrude into these intimate details of their lives. People can see the ineptitude and incompetence that is inevitable and reach the logical conclusion that such programs as this are absurd, abusive, intrusive, intolerable, and utterly unacceptable.



We are talking about kids eating in a government run building. There is no doubt that they have a responsibility at that point. It is not really a question of having standards or not but what those standards are, how they are enforced, and once a problem is identified how they are solving the problem.


Schools are also known for selling out to soda companies and candy companies to make an extra buck. A major reason school lunches such is because of budgets. Most of these issues tend to come back to money.

 

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Afio  3 stars
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http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/homemade-lunch-replaced-with-cafeteria-nuggets.html

"While the mother and grandmother thought the potato chips and lack of vegetable were what disqualified the lunch, a spokeswoman for the Division of Child Development said that should not have been a problem.

“With a turkey sandwich, that covers your protein, your grain, and if it had cheese on it, that’s the dairy,” said Jani Kozlowski, the fiscal and statutory policy manager for the division. “It sounds like the lunch itself would’ve met all of the standard.” The lunch has to include a fruit or vegetable, but not both, she said.

There are no clear restrictions about what additional items — like potato chips — can be included in preschoolers’ lunch boxes."

Seems like they are making the rules as they go along.
"The state regulation reads:

“Sites must provide breakfast and/or snacks and lunch meeting USDA requirements during the regular school day. The partial/full cost of meals may be charged when families do not qualify for free/reduced price meals.

“When children bring their own food for meals and snacks to the center, if the food does not meet the specified nutritional requirements, the center must provide additional food necessary to meet those requirements.”

Still, Kozlowski said, the parents shouldn’t have been charged.

“The school may have interpreted [the rule] to mean they felt like the lunch wasn’t meeting the nutritional requirements and so they wanted the child to have the school lunch and then charged the parent,” she said. “It sounds like maybe a technical assistance need for that school.”

The school principal, Jackie Samuels, said he didn’t “know anything about” parents being charged for the meals that day. “I know they eat in the cafeteria. Whether they pay or not, they eat in the cafeteria.”

Pridgen’s office is looking into the issue."

 

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