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Cawlin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
...that there really are lots and lots of people who really just want to nose into your life and tell you how to live, what to do, etc. Those people are empowered by big government and big government programs for which they can work, and in some way, achieve a livable self image by exerting their own brand of control over everyone else.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/preschoolers-homemade-lunch-replaced-with-nuggets/#ixzz1mSN23rb0

So a mother packed a turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, apple juice, and potato chips for her 4 year old child and sent her to daycare/nursery school. A state agent who is inspecting home packed lunches decides that the child's lunch does not meet nutritional standards (?!) and then charges the parents money to serve the kid chicken nuggets from the cafeteria. Apparently chicken nuggets are some healthy shiz yo!

Apparently this is all based on a regulation from the Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services. The regulation requires that all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs meet USDA nutritional guidelines. Presumably processed turkey isn't good, but processed chicken is...

On the surface of it, this regulation sounds reasonable and not like a terrible idea. However, I know the kind of people involved in its "enforcement". You can't tell me for a second that this "state agent" didn't relish the ability to just unpack all lunches and look them over. I'm willing to bet that the "agent" just enjoyed the siht out of augmenting supposedly deficient lunches while at the same time taxing the parents (admittedly an inconsequential amount) for doing so on top of the taxes they pay to keep this intrusive douche employed!

I guess there is an alternative theory behind while this child was forced to eat chicken nuggets but it requires a bit of tin foil: just what exactly is IN those chicken nuggets anyway?

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
Saw this today.

Sick of this.

Quite sick of it.

 

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Clackdor  1 star
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Registered: 2001-9-21 12:10:52
This sort of intervention is necessary for kids who get sent to school with candy for lunch or nothing.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Clackdor posted:

This sort of intervention is necessary for kids who get sent to school with candy for lunch or nothing.



Like I said above, on the surface, it seems reasonable, but the trouble is the implementation and the power hungry tiny little people who have the job of inspection.

Incidentally, the kids who come with candy or nothing get subsidized lunches. The kids who come with wholesome, packed reasonably nutritionally balanced lunches do not need to have their packed lunch replaced with fkn chicken nuggets because the a-hole in charge of inspecting doesn't like turkey.

 

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Bobvillas  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-11-19 12:56:18
School meals are horrible.

I went and had breakfast with my daughter and I sat and watched the kids.

They had what they termed "sausage wrapped in a pancake".

It was served with a cup of syrup.

As we get up to the front where we are actually able to see the food I notice that the sausage with pancake wrapped was actually a corn dog.

I sat down at the lunch table and watched as none of the kids ate their corn dog and instead drank the syrup.

My son the other day when I asked him what he had for lunch said pretzel bites with nacho cheese.

That was an actual meal on the menu. How do they get away with that and then refuse a home made lunch. WTF.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
Clackdor posted:

This sort of intervention is necessary for kids who get sent to school with candy for lunch or nothing.



BS, Clack. There is no excuse for this kind of intervention.

OBSERVING a child eating nothing but candy for lunch repeatedly is grounds for a digital photo or two and a note to the parents. Then, dept of children/families (DCF) if it is truly persistent across multiple times.

OBSERVING a child sent to school with nothing at all repeatedly is grounds for a couple digital photos, and a call to DCF because inability to provide food, clothing and shelter or avail yourself of the 50 different aid programs/charities to fix that is child abuse.

Casual observation and an evidential log is all that is needed. No 'intervention' beyond that is required. No "oh let us create ANOTHER redundant bureaucracy" program is needed, either. We have ways of dealing with this now.

 

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Clackdor  1 star
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Registered: 2001-9-21 12:10:52
Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:

Clackdor posted:

This sort of intervention is necessary for kids who get sent to school with candy for lunch or nothing.



BS, Clack. There is no excuse for this kind of intervention.

OBSERVING a child eating nothing but candy for lunch repeatedly is grounds for a digital photo or two and a note to the parents. Then, dept of children/families (DCF) if it is truly persistent across multiple times.

OBSERVING a child sent to school with nothing at all repeatedly is grounds for a couple digital photos, and a call to DCF because inability to provide food, clothing and shelter or avail yourself of the 50 different aid programs/charities to fix that is child abuse.

Casual observation and an evidential log is all that is needed. No 'intervention' beyond that is required. No "oh let us create ANOTHER redundant bureaucracy" program is needed, either. We have ways of dealing with this now.



BS on your BS. Feed the damn kids who come to school with nothing.

 

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Grymlo  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
Would someone please think of the children!


 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
Clackdor posted:

BS on your BS. Feed the damn kids who come to school with nothing.



As I said. There are food stamp, SCHIP, and about 10 other programs parents can use to fix that.

If the parents are too damned lazy to do that... then... there's an app for that! Hellooooo DCF.

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
So the trouble with big government is that when they screw up people get pissed off and can address the issue?


Government has a lot of problems and there is no doubt they screwed up this one but this is hardly a big issue that can't be addressed relatively easily.

 

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