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LOL. Obama's high-risk medical insurance costs double the predictions. |
Elkad posted:
Scarne posted:
Elkad posted:
Or we could just return the medical system to something resembling a free market.
No such thing ever existed. 
Resembling? Sure it has.
Remove the bans on re-importing devices and medicines.
Require identical fees regardless of payment method.
Get rid of EMTLA in it's current form. (you can require hospitals to help people, just pay them instantly with fed funds, and then put it back on the patient as a tax lien).
Let pharmacists prescribe non-narcotics again.
Require published price lists for procedures.
Note that the price stuff applies to every other business in the country already. You can't charge 2 people different prices for an oil change because one wrote a check from BofA and the other wrote one from Wachovia. But you can charge a Blue Cross customer a different price than a Aetna customer.
lol
yeah
thats a smart idea.
nothing like a 500k tax bill against your 40k annual income after you broke your leg and got an infection.
if you want to do that, why not just instate a national tax pool that pays everyone bills?
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GrilledCheez  Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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This is obamacare. The idea that insurance companies will cover everyone and nobody will pay for it is pretty silly. This is just obamacare in a forum we can all see the price we are paying.
The worst is yet to come. You will see bargain basement pay little get little insurers pop up very soon that offer minimum coverage, then everyone with cancer will switch to blue cross blue shield.
This is the best time we will have under obamacare.
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__Bonk__  Posts: 5,122
Registered: 2009-7-25 03:04:52
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paulg_68 posted:
This is how it always goes. Next will come the revelations that service quality will be lower than originally promised.
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
Szerek posted:
What we need is a single payer system like every other 1st world country. Is it really that hard to look at all the other systems and take what works for each and remove what doesn't work for each?
Most of the 1st world countries DO NOT have single payer systems. Think before you post.
most of the first world countries and even a good portion of second world countries have universal health insurance.
being healthy should be a right.
gettign treatment for ailments and injuries should be universally taken care of by society.
i had an interesting conversation with our lithuanian immigrant about politics and health care, today.
as a man who lived under the old sss-argh, his opinions are very interesting.
he thinks there smore corruption in our system than what was present in soviet lithuania.
when a system is abused, it doesnt matter if its socialist or profiteer/capitalist, its not going to work as intended no matter what.
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Groucho48  Posts: 821
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The idea that insurance companies will cover everyone and nobody will pay for it is pretty silly.
Well, then, it's a good thing no one thinks that. Except, apparently, the Obama haters in this thread who seem to think that the medical costs of these folks was zero before the plan was implemented.
Meanwhile, reading the link, The Administration set aside $5 billion to cover the costs until 2014. In the last 18 months, the program has spent 600 million. Seems to be well within budget, so far.
How can that be, if costs are twice as high per patient than expected? Well, a couple possibilities come to mind. Either far fewer, but sicker, folks, enrolled, or, the number of folks enrolled is expected to increase dramatically in the next couple years. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell because the news article was only interested in pointing out the high cost per person.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Snarf_Igraine posted:
Szerek posted:
What we need is a single payer system like every other 1st world country. Is it really that hard to look at all the other systems and take what works for each and remove what doesn't work for each?
Most of the 1st world countries DO NOT have single payer systems. Think before you post.
Not really. Britain has single payer. Canada has single payer. Most of continental europe has national health insurance of some sort or another, even if it isn't strictly speaking single payer. So does Japan, although the Japanese system doesn't provide 100% coverage. South Korea has a similar system. So does Taiwan.
I can't really think of a 1st world country besides America that doesn't have single payer or something close to it.
Well I will educate you then.. Germany, Japan, France, Belgium, Switzerland, Japan, and some in Latin America. They all use the Bismarck Model which uses private health insurance plans that are usually financed jointly by employers and employees through payroll deductions. The only difference between their insurance companies and ours is that they cover everyone and they do not make a profit. The doctor's offices are private businesses and many hospitals are privately owned. These are all multi payer models (Germany has more than two hundred funds) enables tight regulation of medical services and fees give the system much of the cost control clout that single payer models allow.
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article posted:
To grasp how the French system works, think about Medicare for the elderly in the U.S., then expand that to encompass the entire population. French medicine is based on a widely held value that the healthy should pay for care of the sick. Everyone has access to the same basic coverage through national insurance funds, to which every employer and employee contributes. The government picks up the tab for the unemployed who cannot gain coverage through a family member.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042070.htm
isnt that what obamacare was originally supposed to be?
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germany
wiki posted:
Germany has the world's oldest universal health care system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889. In Britain, the National Insurance Act 1911 marked the first steps there towards universal health care, covering most employed persons and their financial dependents and all persons who had been continuous contributors to the scheme for at least five years whether they were working or not. This system of health insurance continued in force until the creation of the National Health Service in 1948 which extended health care security to all legal residents. Most current universal health care systems were implemented in the period following the Second World War as a process of deliberate health care reform, intended to make health care available to all, in the spirit of Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948, signed by every country doing so. The US did not ratify the social and economic rights sections, including Article 25's right to health.[2]
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japan
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This is how Japan keeps cost so low. The Japanese Health Ministry tightly controls the price of health care down to the smallest detail. Every two years, the health care industry and the health ministry negotiate a fixed price for every procedure and every drug.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89626309
so, not quite social medicine but still government controlled
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belgium
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Healthcare insurance is a part of the Belgian social security system and to benefit you must join a health insurance fund mutuelle (mutualité) or ziekenfonds (mutualiteit).
Once you are employed by a Belgian company, your contributions and those of your employer will be automatically deducted from your salary by the National Office for Social Security.
http://www.expatica.com/be/health_fitness/healthcare/belgian-healthcare-system-1493.html
sounds socialised to me
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