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I called it a few months ago I'll call it again: SWTOR: WoW Killer! |
Ashmaele posted:
bstulic posted:
B_Shinkicker posted:
bstulic posted:
I'm pretty sure , after all this years,
that DAOC will never be surpassed
Leveling your first character to 50 back in 2002 was a pure grinding hellfest. Anyone who remembers it differently is wearing bright rose colored glasses. I spent some weekends eight hours a day grinding werewolves in Malmohus and was level 49.5 when Darkness Falls was released. At least it was fun to get my last half a level, but before that, grinding Raumarik and Malmohus was a boring nightmare.
PvP on the other hand...I will never have a more fun gaming experience than that, and that makes me very sad. I spent months at level 35 just solo assassinating people in the Hib frontier. I had to force myself to stop and get back to leveling.
It WAS grindfest, but even at boring grindfest, DAOC was better than other grind fests out there 
It comes down to community...lots of fun people that had no problem to suicide and lose 3-4 hours
worth of exp just to go to defend realm
When my paladin finally hit 50, I got around 50 people to come help with level 50 epic, and I think
I didn't even know 50 people in any of other MMOs I played, let alone I'd get 50 to come help
with something
There's a pretty good argument to be made that the grind was a major contributing factor to DAOC's 'community,' and the lack of that grind in WoW and other games is a major reason why the community feel just isn't as strong in those games.
You would sit in the same spot for hours on end with people and actually get to know them via chat because there wasn't shit else to do besides killing the same spawns over and over and over and over and over
I will agree that when Malmohus was released, Midgard/Percival was in dire shape. The Hibs were cowardly beaten down by the dominating Albs, and we were next in line getting the beatdown. We retreated for quite a while and all got our mains to 50 together in Malmohus, so those of us that emerged at 50 from there ventured out in the frontier together, and having already spent a hundred hours killing NPC mobs together used that same technique to come back and beat the ever living hell out of the Albs, re-establishing dominance on the server.
Hmmmm, I never really looked at the grinding as the one aspect that brought the community together. Grinding was kind of like boot camp, where the evil drill instructor beat everyone down until they banded together to survive and came out stronger in the end.
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Ashmaele  Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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I actually forged (pardon the pun) several online friendships which continue to this day from spending countless hours in Caer Diogel leveling up armorcrafting.
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I called it a few months ago I'll call it again: SWTOR: WoW Killer! |
Rosaria posted:
Are they really hemorrhaging subscribers or is it just that you don't want to play it anymore. I can't tell the difference in gaming threads like this: people go all in, love and rave about it, get bored, leave it, then say the game failed.
They are not gaining subscribers. That they haven't made any big announcement about how many subs they've got should be proof enough that they aren't doing what they hoped for. And they expressed 'disappointment' in the investors report about the number of boxes they sold. Already it seems like TOR is dropping off the radar. And there are several potential good MMO's slated for the next year, so it's not like they've got a lot of time to fix it up enough to retain subscribers.
And the for the record, I never played TOR, I never went all in (or even a little bit in), and I'd be happy to explain to you about what constitutes success or failure for a MMO.
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-Myk-  Title: Not a War Criminal
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Registered: 2004-11-15 19:27:42
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Still playing, still having fun.
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bstulic  Posts: 761
Registered: 2002-7-26 04:55:00
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I remember more names from DAOC than all other MMOs I played
put together, and it was 10+ other MMOs
SWTOR would probably do good if it would be just another MMO by some startup company
but they spent crapload of money on it, and it still looks unpolished compared to
Rift, for example
Hope it won't be Biowares Heavens Gate
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Derasio  Posts: 93
Registered: 2002-2-16 17:06:12
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I called it a few months ago I'll call it again: SWTOR: WoW Killer! |
B_Shinkicker posted:
Ashmaele posted:
bstulic posted:
B_Shinkicker posted:
bstulic posted:
I'm pretty sure , after all this years,
that DAOC will never be surpassed
Leveling your first character to 50 back in 2002 was a pure grinding hellfest. Anyone who remembers it differently is wearing bright rose colored glasses. I spent some weekends eight hours a day grinding werewolves in Malmohus and was level 49.5 when Darkness Falls was released. At least it was fun to get my last half a level, but before that, grinding Raumarik and Malmohus was a boring nightmare.
PvP on the other hand...I will never have a more fun gaming experience than that, and that makes me very sad. I spent months at level 35 just solo assassinating people in the Hib frontier. I had to force myself to stop and get back to leveling.
It WAS grindfest, but even at boring grindfest, DAOC was better than other grind fests out there
It comes down to community...lots of fun people that had no problem to suicide and lose 3-4 hours
worth of exp just to go to defend realm
When my paladin finally hit 50, I got around 50 people to come help with level 50 epic, and I think
I didn't even know 50 people in any of other MMOs I played, let alone I'd get 50 to come help
with something
There's a pretty good argument to be made that the grind was a major contributing factor to DAOC's 'community,' and the lack of that grind in WoW and other games is a major reason why the community feel just isn't as strong in those games.
You would sit in the same spot for hours on end with people and actually get to know them via chat because there wasn't shit else to do besides killing the same spawns over and over and over and over and over
I will agree that when Malmohus was released, Midgard/Percival was in dire shape. The Hibs were cowardly beaten down by the dominating Albs, and we were next in line getting the beatdown. We retreated for quite a while and all got our mains to 50 together in Malmohus, so those of us that emerged at 50 from there ventured out in the frontier together, and having already spent a hundred hours killing NPC mobs together used that same technique to come back and beat the ever living hell out of the Albs, re-establishing dominance on the server.
Hmmmm, I never really looked at the grinding as the one aspect that brought the community together. Grinding was kind of like boot camp, where the evil drill instructor beat everyone down until they banded together to survive and came out stronger in the end.
Dude standing at the entrance solo'ing wyverns waiting for a group spot to come up or enough players standing with you to make another group (providing all the spots were not camped) made Mid/Perc, in those early months everyone over level 40 knew everyone else at least in passing because of it.
Edit : Also did not renew my StarWoW subscription to actually post something about the OP.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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I called it a few months ago I'll call it again: SWTOR: WoW Killer! |
Derasio Katain! You and I killed many Albs together in Emain back in the day. Having been one of the first Shadowblades on Percival and one of the first in PvP, I remember taking 20 minutes to solo stealth run to the Hib mile gates in order to spy on incoming Hibby forces and relay that information to our larger forces back in Emain.
Imagine that, no stealth zerg, and a secondary useful function for rogues in a battle situation. Intel!
You'll never find that again in any MMO.
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bstulic Posts: 761
Registered: 2002-7-26 04:55:00
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I called it a few months ago I'll call it again: SWTOR: WoW Killer! |
B_Shinkicker posted:
Derasio Katain! You and I killed many Albs together in Emain back in the day. Having been one of the first Shadowblades on Percival and one of the first in PvP, I remember taking 20 minutes to solo stealth run to the Hib mile gates in order to spy on incoming Hibby forces and relay that information to our larger forces back in Emain.
Imagine that, no stealth zerg, and a secondary useful function for rogues in a battle situation. Intel!
You'll never find that again in any MMO.
Indeed, same on my scout, when there would be relic raids and such, there would
be whole network of stealthers all around the RVR zones just to relay info
In all other MMOs you simply have no reason to do things together, except
your favorite 6, 12 or 24 man instances
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NuEM Posts: 1,007
Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
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I called it a few months ago I'll call it again: SWTOR: WoW Killer! |
Took me like a year or so to get my first character to 50. But it was a journey that was worth it with a meaningful goal.
Regarding the epiphany some of you seem to have here: Told you so!
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Derasio Posts: 93
Registered: 2002-2-16 17:06:12
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I called it a few months ago I'll call it again: SWTOR: WoW Killer! |
B_Shinkicker posted:
Derasio Katain! You and I killed many Albs together in Emain back in the day. Having been one of the first Shadowblades on Percival and one of the first in PvP, I remember taking 20 minutes to solo stealth run to the Hib mile gates in order to spy on incoming Hibby forces and relay that information to our larger forces back in Emain.
Imagine that, no stealth zerg, and a secondary useful function for rogues in a battle situation. Intel!
You'll never find that again in any MMO.
Midgard's stealth crew was the absolute bomb, the way you guys co-ordinated and related info both on offense and defense won us the day so many times.
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