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Grymlo  2 stars
Posts: 415
Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
poetkiosk posted:

Grymlo posted:

Jaedence posted:

Love love love the out of touch RWN who seem to think Obama has done nothing.

Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.

You can say "but... but... but..." And not agree with some of those things, but too bad. They happened for good or ill and a lot of people like healthcare, repeal of DADT and Osama dead, so suck it. :-)



If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.



Which are inaccurate ?



You arent serious. There are a few there blatantly inaccurate and you know it.

"Economy back on track." You gotta be on drugs to believe this.

"Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs." millions huh?

"Employment higher than it has been in four years."

"National health care." To most, his health care plan is a horrible thing.

The rest can be applauded.

 

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-Espiritu-  2 stars
Posts: 269
Registered: 2004-11-29 18:27:00
I agree that he will be running on DADT, and contraception.

When you're a complete failure, you've got to make $hit up. After another four years of his apologizing to the world and destroying the future of our economy, you will see a very strong swing back in the other direction. I'm not sure who the GOP's "extreme" conservative antithesis to Obama will be, but there will be one. Without Bush's second term, there couldn't have been an Obama.

 

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Tych2  4 stars
Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
Posts: 2,511
Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
poetkiosk posted:

Which are inaccurate ?

The economy is about to take a second dip. He should NOT run on employment numbers. lol that would be a huge mistake. We still have troops in Iraq. He didn't save the auto industry. The auto industry would be chugging along with or without GM. We don't have national health care yet. I need to mention gasp prices and the general mood of the country that is on par with what Carter was facing his second term. If the GOP put up anyone that inspired people they would win in a landslide just as Reagan did. People are just looking for an excuse to vote for someone other than President Obama.

 

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SoBaKi  2 stars
Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
Grymlo posted:

Jaedence posted:

Love love love the out of touch RWN who seem to think Obama has done nothing.


Osama Bin Laden dead.

Troops removed from Iraq.

Economy back on track.

Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.

Removed DADT.

Employment higher than it has been in four years.

National health care.


You can say "but... but... but..." And not agree with some of those things, but too bad. They happened for good or ill and a lot of people like healthcare, repeal of DADT and Osama dead, so suck it. :-)



If you actually believe some of those you need serious help.



SO instead of actually addressing any of the points, you make some retarded blanket statement (as ususal). In other words, you've got nothing.

 

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MayorShade  2 stars
Title: Not Special Forces
Posts: 258
Registered: 2004-3-1 10:40:52
Jaedence posted:

Osama Bin Laden dead.
Troops removed from Iraq.
Economy back on track.
Saved the auto industry, saving millions of jobs.
Removed DADT.
Employment higher than it has been in four years.
National health care.



1. Bin Laden: JSOC did this. The fact that the president even knew about it before it happened was nothing more than a political courtesy. The operation was not spontaneous, contrary to what some people would like you to think. JSOC killed Bin Laden. Not Obama.

2. Troops removed from Iraq: The Obama administration attempted to keep tens of thousands of troops in Iraq past the end of the year. They requested a postponement of the withdrawal timeline. Iraq said, "No, gtfo." The administration was/is not in a position to say, "No, not gonna GTFO." This being said, there are still troops in Iraq.

3. Economy back on track: Right...

4. Saved the auto industry: Right...

5. Removed DADT: He put his signature on this. I have absolutely no problem with saying "Well done" in this case.

6. Employment higher than it has been in four years: Hmmm?

7. National Health Care: Orly? Not so fast.

 

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Akza  2 stars
Posts: 271
Registered: 2002-9-8 18:02:25
Elkad posted:

I'll take the 2 easy ones.

Economy is not back on track. Stock market is a big speculative bubble caused by nowhere else to put easy fed funds. Actual sales on almost everything continue to trend down (or up very slightly, not consistent with population increase).

Employment. The employment rate of the population continues to fall.




Hey there Mr. RWN.

Stock market is still cheap by historical standards. Large companies are making record profits and the stock market hasn't caught up to the earnings with its price.

Mr. RWN, you forgot the un part of employment. It was trending horribly when Obama took office and has reversed.



You can blame the participation rate on the wealthy, bud. That's because businesses themselves have outsourced labor and become much leaner in making current employees work at a record high productivity pace. Also at the expense of everyone, CEOs and upper management have slowly hoarded capital with a massive CEO-to-worker pay around ~400:1. That's a very recent phenomenon since late 80s. It used to be like 25:1 That means less capital for us lowly, income-stagnated americans.

Edit: baby boomers are to blame too. many of them easily make double what i make where i work. many of them in their late 60s and early 70s. they don't want to retire.

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
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Posts: 1,962
Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
So in the same breath, you blame rich people for fluctuating productivity with employment outsourcing, and then say that the market is great due to rich investors, so much so that the charts haven't even caught up with how great it is.

There is such a thing as too much kool aid.

 

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MayorShade  2 stars
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Akza  2 stars
Posts: 271
Registered: 2002-9-8 18:02:25
Moe_Nox posted:

So in the same breath, you blame rich people for fluctuating productivity with employment outsourcing, and then say that the market is great due to rich investors, so much so that the charts haven't even caught up with how great it is.

There is such a thing as too much kool aid.



there's nothing hypocritical about that. is my opinion too moderate for you that i dont wharblegarble about how the stock market is the reincarnation of the devil?

i don't have problems with people making profits. i have problems when the trickle-down to the people actually contributing to the profit doesn't make it past first base.

 

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ZigmundZag  4 stars
Title: Grammar Nazi
Posts: 1,211
Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
MayorShade posted:

1. Bin Laden: JSOC did this. The fact that the president even knew about it before it happened was nothing more than a political courtesy. The operation was not spontaneous, contrary to what some people would like you to think. JSOC killed Bin Laden. Not Obama.

Obama approved the mission, even though intel couldn't guarantee that OBL was in the compound. You know damn well if things had gone poorly, OBL had gotten away and JSOC was left with a house full of dead Pakistani civilians that RWN's wouldn't be saying "It was the military's fault".

 

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