What if what you want is something other than what's in the grab bag? I don't know how much effort I should put into arguing against your premise. You're basically saying why would anyone want a car if they could walk.

 

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No. I didn't basically say that. Don't simplify what I'm saying. I'm saying shit happens frequently. It gets used when it needs to get used.
I'll be anecdotal. In early '07, a battalion from the 4th BCT of the 1st Cavalry Division was responsible for the neighborhoods of Ghazaliyah and Shu'lla in NW Baghdad. On one particular morning, a large number of Iraqi Police, Iraqi Army and Iraqi National Police were congregated around a checkpoint on a main street in Ghazaliyah. Two platoons from a US company were also present. As a matter of unfortunate timing, a group of 6-8 insurgent personnel chose that same morning to come into the hood for some shenanigans. Three hour firefight that pushed the group across the hood into a large farm-field, at which time they took cover in a large isolated house that was inhabited by several women, children and a few old people. Iraqi and US forces took fire from that house for 30 minutes. Apaches and A-10s took alternating runs, culminating in a hell-fire through the roof. Three civilians killed, 8 seriously injured. No weapons found in the dwelling. Three adult males between the ages of 18-40 detained but released within 48 hours. Did you hear about this? No. Could you have heard about it if the timing was right? Yes.
This kind of stuff...usable incidents...happens much much MUCH more frequently than most people would imagine. There are so many usable incidents that, while they may vary in content, are very similar if not identical in the manner in which they can be used.
If you want a car and can't find a car, find a boat and call it car.

Edit: Let me be clear. MK-Ultra, as an explanation for causality, is simply over-used by certain people. In most discussions I have regarding MK-Ultra in present-day scenarios, the other person uses the following logic: 1) MK-Ultra existed and might still exist!!! 2) 100% Proof that this was MK-Ultra!!!. Admit it, you've seen PP Forum thread titles.

 

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I don't know what PP threads are.

Do you understand that I already understand what you're trying to say and agree that there are plenty of easy news worthy headlines to choose from? I get it. That's not something I haven't known.

I'll ask again. Knowing that it exists, how can someone discount it's being used on people who are the easiest targets of forced drugging and mind control(mk ultra research also influenced our military training methods of breaking people to rebuild them)??

 

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It's okay Ill, I got yo back

Knowing that MK-Ultra existed is not an adequate reason to believe that it is being used now. My earlier post touched upon the faulty "It existed so that proves they are using it for scenario X" logic.
I'm familiar with the research. Fortunately, our military no longer breaks people to rebuild them. Or perhaps that is unfortunate.
I'd also argue that there are some other populations in some other environments that are now easier targets of forced drugging and mind control. In many ways the military is the same animal that it was during the development of MK-Ultra, but in many important ways it is a different animal. Ultimately, I cannot discount the possibility of the existence of some type of program that bears some similarities to what MK-Ultra was. And if something exists, I cannot discount the reality that it would require human subjects. But that by no means leads be to believe that events such as the one in question has anything to do with such a program.

 

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