concealed carry permit

a license can prove you are who you say you are though. I don't know about your state, but here you check in before you vote.


edit: I will add if they asked for a copy of my birth certificate at voting time.. I would simply bring it.. what's the big deal?

How much could it cost to give them away for free if you fall below a certain income level? If they suspend the stupid wars for a day or two they could pay for it fully. If they are immobile send a van over like meals on wheels. I think people are making it out to be much more complicated than it should be.

 

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And right wingers continue to push for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

 

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It's a big deal to millions of Americans. Be glad you aren't dirt poor, or have no access to the interweb, and haven't been homeless.....but millions of people have experienced one or more of those.

Without a birth certificate (which 10's of millions of Americans don't have a copy of for many reasons), you can't get a license, to get a birth certificate you have to spend hundreds of dollars (in many cases) and you need to have access to the interweb to do it. You also need a credit card (or debit card, which of course means you have a bank account in most cases) Again, 10's of millions of Americans don't.

You can get by in life just fine without a birth certificate or drivers license, and many people do. Now, suddenly, for no good reason at all, you are required to have them if you want to vote.

So in order to solve a problem that didn't exist, "conservatives" are for bigger government and more intrusion into peoples lives, with a high cost in both time and money, and the end result is fewer people voting. Now I understand how you might wish fewer people to vote in order to give your guy a better chance at getting in office, but in no way can you claim to be for freedom, democracy, or less government if you support such disenfranchisement.

Hypocritical actions are the hallmark of the "conservative".

I really would like to know what the reasoning is for all these new amendments for stopping voter fraud.


If it's not as widespread as proclaimed then there has to be some ulterior motion to getting these passed.

Yes

http://www.lp.org/issues/privacy

 

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Well there are two things going on.

For normal people who support these things, the impetus really is voting fraud. They see what seems to be a no-brainer because they have a driver's license and they assume everyone else does and why not do it if it could stop fraud? These people don't realize many people DON'T have photo ID and also that this particular kind of voter fraud is not much of a real problem.

For the people actually pushing the amendments, it is very much about stopping poor people from voting.

Why conservatives keep thinking something as simple as supplying an ID to the poor is an issue is beyond me.

They have the capacity to solve the issue on their own and refuse to do it. THAT's the issue, but go on with your idiotic talking point about how liberals are against a photo ID. They aren't, they're against the marginalization caused when proposed rules would prevent equal rights. If conservatives said they'd supply photo ID to anyone who can't afford to get one, they'd have no opposition with a worthy argument against their proposition. AND, they could dovetail that photo ID into other areas such as WIC, Welfare or other social assistance and cut down on other fraud.

Why don't they want to propose that?

 

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They probably know people will never vote themselves a pay cut. This is one of those issues I don't really have a big opinion on. I would rather err on the side of caution. So I guess I would not be in favor it voter ID cards.

Although it does laugh in the face of all those people that piss and moan about dumbasses voting the wrong way. What does Mo call them? The great unwashed stoonads that put bush in office twice?

 

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