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theredkay1  Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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paulg_68 posted:
One or redkay's pet issues is externalized costs. For some reason though he never wants to touch the issue of externalized benefits. He thinks companies should be charged for for one but that they should never be rewarded for the other. That seems inconsistent.
It think it's pretty clear that the externalized benefits of oil usage far far outweigh the externalized costs.
You are right that the consumption produces a lot of pollution. If you sell a product that imposes costs on others when used, those costs need to be included in the cost of production.
Youve tried the externalized benefits ruse before I think. Please explain yourself and I will try to respond. What benefits are being realized for which gasoline producers are unable to realize a gain? What is the mechanism that is stopping them from monetizing this and charging for it? What is the market breakdown that allows this? You dont have to answer all those....
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paulg_68  Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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theredkay1 posted:
What benefits are being realized for which gasoline producers are unable to realize a gain?
An ambulance using gasoline rushes someone to the hospital and saves their life. If they'd been transported with a horse and cart they would have died.
There are externalized benefits and externalized costs in this scenario. We as a society choose not to charge for the externalized costs and we also choose not to reward for the externalized benefits.
theredkay1 posted:
What is the mechanism that is stopping them from monetizing this and charging for it?
Why would they charge for it? A hammer costs the same price whether you use it for anything good or not.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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theredkay1 posted:
You are right that the consumption produces a lot of pollution. If you sell a product that imposes costs on others when used, those costs need to be included in the cost of production.
It's the consumption that imposes the cost, not the production.
Why would you charge the producer? That doesn't make any sense. Well, it you are biased against corporations it might make sense to you.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Lyken-P posted:
Koneg posted:
reesescups posted:
I'm glad congress/white house finally lifted the ban on them here.
Uh - what ban??
State and city vehicle and bus fleets have been using natural gas vehicles for literally decades now. Hell even our garbage trucks here in Seattle run on natural gas.
I'm pretty sure it was that super secret imaginary bill that Bush passed to help Big Oil 
You guys bite on the dumbest shit...
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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That's not an externalized benefit.  |
paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
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Of course it is.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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People pay for gas because it lets them drive their cars around. The benefits of driving a car around are included in the price you set for a gallon of gasoline. Nobody would pay anything for a gallon of gasoline if they couldn't do anything with it. Your argument is like saying hammers produce externalized benefits because people use them to hammer things.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Yukishiro1 posted:
People pay for gas because it lets them drive their cars around. The benefits of driving a car around are included in the price you set for a gallon of gasoline. Nobody would pay anything for a gallon of gasoline if they couldn't do anything with it. Your argument is like saying hammers produce externalized benefits because people use them to hammer things.
Never get into a semantic argument with Paulg. We all know the outcome and it wastes precious thread space...
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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I don't intend to get into a long discussion. It's just clear he's very confused. He is trying to get into an argument about whether the invention of gasoline is a net positive or not. That's neither here nor there to the issue of externalized costs.
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Grymlo posted:
natural gas leaks are dangerous. I cant see how if we put hundreds of thousands of these on the roads how it wouldnt end badly for the drivers, potential 1st responders, ems and firefighters. Going to natural gas leaks are more dangerous for us than going to a structure fire. Those tanks they make for the vehicles better be damn solid.
im pretty sure gasoline is more dangerous than natural gas
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