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Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
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reesescups posted:

I'm glad congress/white house finally lifted the ban on them here.

Uh - what ban??


State and city vehicle and bus fleets have been using natural gas vehicles for literally decades now. Hell even our garbage trucks here in Seattle run on natural gas.

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
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Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
They aren't any more dangerous than gasoline powered vehicles. There have been thousands of them on the road for decades and no reports of explosions yet.

The major drawback to CNG vehicles is refueling. There just aren't that many places you can do it. You can get a system to refuel at home (it compresses natural gas and fills your tank), but it's slow (up to 6 hours to refill your tank), and expensive to install.

The other major strike against it is the tanks are HEAVY and they take up a LOT of room.

But the advantages are much cleaner operation, much cheaper to run, we can provide all the natural gas required for every vehicle on the roads in the USA...from domestic sources.
Grymlo  2 stars
Posts: 415
Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
natural gas leaks are dangerous. I cant see how if we put hundreds of thousands of these on the roads how it wouldnt end badly for the drivers, potential 1st responders, ems and firefighters. Going to natural gas leaks are more dangerous for us than going to a structure fire. Those tanks they make for the vehicles better be damn solid.

 

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Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
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Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Grymlo posted:

natural gas leaks are dangerous. I cant see how if we put hundreds of thousands of these on the roads how it wouldnt end badly for the drivers, potential 1st responders, ems and firefighters. Going to natural gas leaks are more dangerous for us than going to a structure fire.

Those are leaks from continuous feeds of gas - so yea if they leak they're incredibly dangerous because it goes right on leaking.


A CNG tank? It leaks for a few seconds then it's over with. All gone.

 

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Lyken-P  2 stars
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Koneg posted:

reesescups posted:

I'm glad congress/white house finally lifted the ban on them here.

Uh - what ban??

State and city vehicle and bus fleets have been using natural gas vehicles for literally decades now. Hell even our garbage trucks here in Seattle run on natural gas.

I'm pretty sure it was that super secret imaginary bill that Bush passed to help Big Oil
Mastara  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-12-29 22:52:21
Id rather stick with my car.

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
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Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
There are MILLIONS of CNG vehicles on the roads all over the world. They are less of a hazard for fires from fuel than gasoline vehicles. Their tanks are designed to withstand more than 3000PSI and to be emptied and refilled daily for many years. Breaching those tanks is nigh on impossible under any conceivable accident scenario that would not also completely destroy (and engulf in flames) a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle. Hell, the tanks are required to be built in such a way (in the US) that they will withstand a point blank shot from a 30 caliber shell.

CNG is harder to set alight than gasoline vapor, gasoline burns hotter, diesel burns even hotter than gas. It also takes about 4 times higher a concentration of natural gas in sea level atmosphere to become flammable than it does of gasoline.

CNG vehicles are safer than gasoline powered ones....in regard to fuel safety that is.
SoBaKi  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
Blew_everyone posted:





You're a serious retard.

 

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paulg_68  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
ineenia posted:

paulg_68 posted:

Why on earth would it need a tax incentive?





They are competing against big oil and all the tax incentives and outright giveaways the republicans have given to big oil.


It's always the same. Fiscal liberals give away corporate welfare. Time goes by and fiscal liberals forget why they did it. Then fiscal liberals try to blame someone else for the corporate welfare.

I'm sure a portion of the corporate welfare for oil companies came from Republicans, but plenty of it came from Democrats too. In both cases though it came from fiscal liberals in the parties.

 

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ineenia  2 stars
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Registered: 2005-11-1 04:48:33
thats funny Obama is trying to get 4billion a year in tax subsides for big oil repealed...guess which party is fighting against it.


plz show me where the the democrats have fought against the republicans to give or maintain tax cuts for the oil industry.

 

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