I'm uncomfortable with the idea of removing anyone's freedom lightly, except in extreme cases where the person either has great potential to or directly impacts another's livelihood and well-being. It seemed like our country used to be framed that way.

I'm not sure when it became so vogue to shout out ways to intervene directly with another's life, but extremists on both sides do it in their own ways. And now it seems almost casual to do so. Police state here we come! Oh wait...


And somehow the politicians seem to get away with pandering to the extremists, even though I would think they would be minority opinions at best.

 

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I'm not much concerned with what you think I am, nor what you call me. Thats your opinion and everyone has one. But few and far between are the opinions that actually matter. And your opinion falls into the category of those that mean nothing.

 

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So when you've paid for his bed and board for 15 years which he has only learned how to harden himself and become even more of an animal to be able to survive your suggestion is just to leave him high and dry until he does the only thing he's capable of which is commit crime which leads to him being locked up for another 15.. 15 years of a socialization process (you know what that means right?) where he is schooled that the only way to survive is to be more violent and savage then the attacker..

You vote republican and you're against taxes, would not a more cost effective alternative be smarter? Something where you spend a money to get first time offenders to actually become functioning members of society instead of repeat offenders.

I mean 760 inmates per 100 000 people while Germany is at 90, isn't that a indication that you instead of just locking up people under these cruel circumstances should try something different? Especially since it's proven to be extremely ineffective and costly as hell.. Not only in money but that these repeat offenders wreak havoc and sorrow upon society itself.

Or do you think that Americans are less civilized then us Europeans? More brutish and savage and can't learn to function?

You're an admitted criminal yourself, by your admittance alone we should lock you up and throw away the key, you're a danger to society.

 

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How do you like being cut from the same cloth as a muslim fundie? Your kind is a disgrace to all of humanity.

 

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Yes, you outdid yourself.

 

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I guess prison doesn't "work" in most cases according to the excuse-makers here.

Ok, how about a deterrent system. It could be done in tiers:

1. Being put on display with crimes listed on a sign
2. Public whipping/caning/beating
3. Amputation
4. Enslavement
5. Death

As a matter of deterrant each sentence would have to be completed in quick fashion.
options 1 and 2 within 3 days.

One month for the others with 1 shot at appeal.

 

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No I can agree with you to a point mane. I think the one problem I have with your post is that it would seem like your placing the blame of what happens to him on me, as if I was the one that put him there. There is an extreme lack of responsibility for ones actions here. If he committed a crime and it landed him there, it wasnt me that put him there, it was him that put himself in that position. I think it would all depend on the case. And its the judges decision not mine. But in some cases they deem it necessary for a criminal to face jail time. But not all of them do. If hes a repeat offender then once again he made the choice. It doesn't matter too much what happened to him in there once hes free. He STILL has free choice and after the first time he should know better than to break the law once again. My brother is a prime example. 16 he was buster for felony GTA, he served his time. He then was caught fighting on 4-5 other occasions so got busted for assault, then busted again for possession of crystal meth and other things. He got no more then 6 months. Hes still on the same path and I will tell you what I tell him, you dont have to do things your doing. Use your mind and be a little smarter then the criminals you surround yourself with. He blames everyone but himself for what happened to him. When in reality its him making the decisions that are now burdening him. He has to do nothing but stop and change what hes doing to avoid going back. He has the choice, its for him to decide. Not me, or his mom or anyone else. Its his fault. As much as I Hated seeing him behind bars, it wasn't me that made him do anything wrong, nor was it me that put him there with other criminals. It was him. Its about responsibility.

Do I believe that every offense merits jail time? Of course not. But there are many that, in my opinion should be. I'm not the judge that says he should face jail time or some other form of punishment, but if you want my opinion there are some that deserve jail time. I'm glad I'm not in the position to choose, I'm not the judge and I dont make sentences. I think that its a mind set. What a person goes through does not define them. What he does, despite what hes been through is what defines him. Its choice. Choose right and you wont be punished, do wrong and live in fear of punishment for it and youll more than likely do more wrong to avoid being caught for what your trying to hide.

 

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Its like what I was told when I was young, whatever you do today youll have to sleep with tonight. Those that do good need not fear to live their life, those that do wrong are always in fear of things happening to them.

 

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Actually no, your stupidity was pretty astounding.. Now if you had said "the US has more poverty stricken households" I mean people generally don't wake up and say "hey I'm going to turn to a life of crime" It's usually something that is more or less forced upon them by the economic situation they grow up in, lack of education, social problems and the community they grow up in... Sure people have a choice but society should be primed to avoid criminality on a large scale since it's extremely destructive.

And it's always brought on by the same factors.. Poverty, lack of education and social problems.

 

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f'kin paragraphs do you speak it?

Society, community and family forms the individual.. A person who grows up in a lawful society with loving parents who are employed and who gets a proper education will generally turn out fine.

Ofc the choice is the individuals but humans don't work like that humans are formed by their existence if they grow up in a brutish violent community with lawlessness, bad parents and no education.. Do you think that they will magically turn out fine? No they won't.

I'm still not talking about broader social spectra that forms society, I'm talking about reality and the US penal system which is not churning out functioning humans but half psychotic monsters.. That will only return to prison or die on the streets, it's just a f'kin stupid business plan and ruinous to the communities and actual law abiding citizens that has to suffer these savages which are created by your society.

Lock people up for 15 years for minor things by all means under horrible conditions but don't be so foolish as to just wipe your hands and say "well that's his fault, he did stupid things and deserved to get raped and stabbed for 15 years society is not at fault for not trying to better him or rehabilitate him"

It's just not viable to have what almost 8 times as many people in prison as Germany? Where the end product does not after debt to society is paid become a functioning citizen but instead just arrives as a more savage and distilled entity which will in all probability create even more harm then the last time he got sent in.

It's just not smart, it's borderline retarded.. It's not solving your issues with crime quite the opposite.

"This wide gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world is relatively recent. In 1980 the U.S.’s prison population was about 150 per 100,000 adults. It has more than quadrupled since then. So something has happened in the past 30 years to push millions of Americans into prison."

This is insanity.. total ruinous insanity, as a Swede I can't even comprehend this kind of attitude towards humans, you're not fixing the problem you're making it worse.

And you and everyone else in your democracy is responsible when you applaud pandering politicians that are "hard on crime" which just results in more crime, the death penalty is obviously NOT deterrent..

Europe has WAY less homicides then you, and we do not execute people here... We're also around 800 million people and you're around 300.

 

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